Discussion on UFO sightings and NASA's restrictions on searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, including evidence of possible extraterrestrial life.
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I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet I ask you, is not an alien force already amongst the Craig, the guy that I'd regret right in the heart if you look out here. This guy where you were sending you an R&R stay back there. Sparkling a bed of diamonds out there is that a real picture we just gained some video fuzz. Well I don't know what it is. That was really impressive. There are on the other side of the client, at least five proofs of the objects. We're not ice particles, therefore spacecraft and they were either extraterrestrial or terrestrial obviously. We haven't identified a flying object. Over 2000 years, humankind is speculated that it is not alone in the universe. But it wasn't until September 1959 that American astronomers first put forward a practical, technically feasible proposition to search the cosmos for life forms other than ourselves. Less than a year after that, the idea was translated into practice. Since then, setty, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, has fired the imagination of millions around the world. However, the practicalities of setty made the proverbial search for the needle in the haystack pale into insignificance. In fact, it's been calculated the quest is more akin to delving for a two inch botkin in a haystack 35 times the size of earth. All sky surveys up to a distance of 70 million light years made at Harvard, one of series and Ohio since the 1970s, have failed to detect any evidence of omnidirectional transmissions. After years of analyzing hundreds of billions of signals, fewer than 100 have given the appearance of artificiality, and none of these could be relocated and repeated surveys. The world of astronomy then remains divided between the true believers, who think they will find evidence of extraterrestrial life in our or other galaxies and skeptics who regard that and the work of setty in particular, as either a diversion from more important things, or a gigantic waste of time, resources, and money. It's a curious fact that NASA is forbidden by Congress to seek communications or signals from the very intelligent life-harbering planet setty hopes to find. NASA is forbidden therefore to spend its time, resources and money, on seeking out contact with extraterrestrial intelligence. But what if an extraterrestrial intelligence were to establish contact with NASA directly or indirectly? What then? And where does NASA in its US Congress stand when it comes to UFOs? Could a small proportion of the residual evidence, gleamed from millions of worldwide UFO observations and case histories, point to an extraterrestrial presence already in our midst? Should claims and statements made by credible professionals and observers be ignored? Should intensive and documented interest shown in the UFO phenomena by every strand of the military and intelligence community be simply tossed aside? Should countless photographs and film footage taken of the phenomena over the years, be looked upon as worthless? Should radar tapes, which have recorded the phenomenon on 400 occasions, be deemed as flawed? Should Congress then, pay let service to NASA, the scientific community at large, and its military and intelligence chiefs, or as it time that politicians began to address the most important issue of our time? Is man, as some would have us believe, the unique species to this universe? One that if old over the Eons to finally stand upright and walk this planet, one that was able in the course of less than a century to progress from horse driven carriages to putting a man on the moon? How was this staggering technological progress achieved over such a short period of time? Is it pure coincidence then that midway through this period reports of flying sources began to emerge from around our world? At the precise moment when man was signaling his intentions to step forth from his earthbound environment, the phenomenon we now term UFOs signal back? Throughout the documented history of those early pioneering man missions in dis-space, one can find numerous references made by both astronauts and cosmonauts to witnessing and sometimes describing curious anomalous objects seen while in orbit around the earth. On Glenn, like in these to fireflies, and for a time NASA actually believed they had stumbled across living critters, according to one of its retired astronauts, Scott Carpenter. The years went by, and with each passing decayed, there appeared no let up in reports of UFO activity. But in the late 1980s, those reports took on far greater significance with the arrival of the camcorder. In the space of a few short years, what was once regarded as an extremely rare event to capture a UFO on film has now become commonplace. And while a sizable proportion of that video footage leads most unimpressed, like the phenomena itself, a small residue of what remains can be termed impressive. In July 1991, millions of people throughout Mexico stared skywards to observe a solar eclipse. That day, several UFOs appeared in those same skies. Sceptics would later conclude that these were nothing more than planets, or stars, but the video evidence recorded independently at several different locations suggested otherwise. Much has been said, written, and claimed as to why more UFOs have emerged from Mexico than any other nation on the planet during the 1990s. Indeed, there are those who would argue that most, if not all of the 5,000-plus hours of amateur camcorder footage taken of UFOs in the skies above Mexico this past decade alone, is nothing to write home about. That the bulk of the footage can easily be explained. That some has been deliberately manufactured, while the rest has captured nothing more than passing aircraft, balloons, meteors, or falling space debris. And on your point of view, the objects depicted in these sequences are either balloons or UFOs. Interestingly, during filming, the camera operators and those closest by never refer to these objects as balloons. Others like them to spheres. A term first used alongside food fighters when describing anomalous objects seen by allied pilots operating in the Pacific theatre of World War II. Outside of Mexico, there have been other recorded instances where spheres have been seen and captured on film. Here are two recent examples. These spheres appeared over Sterling Scotland during the summer of 1998. Local resident Brian McFey borrowed a camcorder from his cousin after being puzzled by the repeated appearances of these objects high overhead. Some were seen to hover close to, and then descend, into or through the clouds. Some were seen to emerge from the clouds before darting away at incredible speeds. And take this as another example. Filmed in broad daylight over central London in July 1999, Christopher Martin was on hand to recall the moment when this fear appeared amidst one of the world's busiest air corridors. Was this a balloon? Or something else. But the term sphere is not just used to describe anomalous objects seen from the ground. Previously enough, just two months after the Mexico eclipse, similar sphere-like objects recorded by the crew of the Discovery Space Shuttle. An anomalous object seen on the STS48 mission footage taken on 15 September 1991, had been explained away by NASA as nothing more than ice crystals, whose sudden movement was caused by the release of directional jet nozzles from the shuttle itself. What though the mysterious meteorites tree seen in the same sequence? And what of this counter-explanation to NASA's ice crystal theory by Dr. Jack Kasia of Nebraska State University? Well, at least five proofs that the objects were not ice particles, therefore spacecrafts and they were either extraterrestrial or terrestrial, obviously, that's the dichotomy. Well, many still remain unconvinced that the STS48 footage captured intelligently control spacecraft in mid-flight. It was the catalyst that would persuade both UFO researchers and amateur astronomers alike to pay much closer attention to space shuttle missions in the future. And as you will learn later, what showed up on the STS48 footage would prove to have a profound effect on this individual. One that would eventually lead him to an extraordinary discovery. During 1996, there were two notable events. In August of that year, NASA announced that it had an earth fossilized evidence contained in a Martian meteorite and discovered 12 years earlier in the frozen waste of Antarctica, which would appear to suggest that life, albeit billions of years old, once existed on the red planet. The declaration, which is yet to be embraced by the scientific community at large, created headlines around the world, and more or less ensure that NASA would have no difficulty in raising the necessary funds to embark on an ambitious and man-series of mission-proved to Mars in the future. Three months later, on the 1st of December 1996, Space Shuttle astronauts on board STS80 filmed something remarkable. Scores of anomalous objects could be seen, scurting earth's upper atmosphere below, but then, from beneath a high bank of cloud, emerged a large sphere, almost plasma-like in appearance. And as the sequence rolls, note how the camera on board the space shuttle zooms in on a cluster of anomalous objects which appear to congregate on the Earth's horizon. Interestingly, during that same mission, astronauts would point their cameras towards Brazil, more specifically, São Paulo. Were they expecting something? Whatever suddenly street interview would appear to suggest they were, but what was it? A short time would pass before anomalous activity was filmed again, only this time in close proximity to the mere space station. The STS84 docking and docking mission with mere provided breathtaking images. It also provided further puzzles. Thanks to an amateur astronomer known as Willy, some of the footage transmitted by STS84 was disseminated around the world. Hardly surprising, since it contains several remarkable scenes. Learning which one has most appeal or greater mystery is debatable. But why does this particular sphere suddenly come to a direct stop? Hover momentarily, then move up and behind the mere space station to emerge on the other side. And what's this appearance of dozens of anomalous objects caused by the flushing of a toilet on board the space shuttle? Or something else? Assuming then that this is mere space debris, would it not be considered dangerous to those on board both the space shuttle and mere space station? To answer that question would require detailed analysis of pristine STS84 footage. But NASA refuses to release any of it, and the question is surely, why? Signals from space can and do take on many forms, and while some dishes scattered around the world listen for faint traces of extraterrestrial intelligence from afar, others are designed to receive signals transmitted from much closer to home. During the 1990s, millions of miniature sized dishes sprang up across Britain, a satellite technology came of age. Both here, and in countries abroad, many individuals chose to erect more powerful dishes to locate and access a wide variety of transmissions being back to Earth from scores of overhead satellites. In theory, the more powerful the receiver, the more choice it would offer. And, as we've already seen, some of those individuals chose to utilize their satellite dishes to monitor and record transmissions being down to Earth from the space shuttle. But what if one of those individuals had the means to utilize an even greater array of satellite receiving dishes? To record, and subsequently log, every second of NASA transmissions, from not one solitary space shuttle mission, but from several covering a period of almost five years. What then? That incredible scenario first came to light late when evening in the summer of 1999, when Graham Bird saw editor of UFO magazine in Britain to go call on his mobile phone. The call was Martin Stubbs, a cable TV station manager from Vancouver in Canada. For the next 45 minutes, Graham listened intently, as Martin proceeded to recount an extraordinary story, in which he claimed to have accessed NASA's downlink transmissions, originating from numerous space shuttle missions that stretched back over a period of several years. And amidst all of this carefully log footage, footage that amounted to over two and a half thousand hours, Martin further claimed to have stumbled across something equally extraordinary, comparable evidence for the reality of not one, but two extraterrestrial life forms. In order to fully verify these and other equally amazing claims, Russell Callahan was dispatched to Vancouver last August to meet up with Martin in person. John Aleyman would be Brian Borsch, a project director of the phenomena exhibition, who flew in especially from Australia. After spending an entire week in the company, Martin. Gazed in for the most part reviewing countless hours of NASA footage. The staggering implications of what he'd uncovered soon became apparent. For all though Martin had come across countless further examples of mysterious fear-like activity, his trained eyes and experience TV editor had picked out something else. Something that he would find compelling. Something that others would later find amazing. At the conclusion of their visit to Vancouver, a triparty agreement was reached. One that would ensure worldwide public disclosure, through methods and means that would soon become apparent in the weeks and months to follow. But why? On the strength of one phone call, did Russell Callahan and Brian Borsch have traveled thousands of miles to touch space with Martin's steps in the first place? Call it intuition? Call it good luck? Call it what you will? But on hearing Martin relate his extraordinary story, he sent out a signal far more powerful than that generated by any satellite. And what better means to demonstrate the point than by having Martin recount that story in his own words? Hi, I'm Martin Stubbs and I'm a resident of Bowen Island, Canada. Bowen Island is a small island of about 3,000 people just off the coast of British Columbia. The city we directly commute to on a little ferry, 20 minute ride, is the great city of Vancouver. And it's here that I was able to discover through NASA's own video, downlinked from the shuttle, two types of phenomena that, from my estimation, should not be there. The first phenomena is a spherical phenomena. It's the best I could do in terms of explaining it. And the second phenomena is a phenomena that is virtually invisible to the human eye. But when filmed with the CCD camera and the broke, you break the video into frames and there's 30 frames per second. Then you split the frames into fields because each frame contains two scanned fields. And it is in those fields. We have discovered our second space phenomena. It's not a matter of finding something that is a reasonable doubt, it's an scenario. It's more about let's just keep collecting, studying and analyzing and eventually the jigsaw puzzle will come together and it's finally happened. I held a very privileged position in the city of Vancouver. I was in charge of for the past 20 years actually, community access cable stations. And those are public stations that use volunteers in terms make all their own programming and put it out on the cable system. Here in British Columbia and throughout the rest of Canada, we have 90% cable saturation. So it's the equivalent of having a full channel. And in my office, I had old log tapes from logging the station available and they were supposed to be turned over after a few times. So I just piled them up and I had VCRs. I had the means. And I talked to our technical department, asked them if they could give me my own dish. And they did. And I set my machines and went about my normal daily life of managing two of these facilities. And I just would go home at night after each shuttle's mission or each day of the shuttle mission and break the tape down. And I just found myself in the unique position of having the means to do it. I was in a position to do it and I had all the motivation. The second this shuttle count done began. I recorded and I stopped recording when it was at a full stop. So it was a pretty demanding exercise. Well the SDS 61, which was the Hubble Space Telescope mission was 36, I think we're equal 36 tapes with eight hours per tape. So these are, you know, you just had to keep going. Some flights are five days, some are 11 days, 14. The Hubble Space Telescope mission, I chose that mission, not because I knew about it CCD camera or anything. I chose it because NASA had decided to make this the showcase mission. It is a very important mission. The Hubble Space Telescope is the very most delicate and important thing in these gentlemen we're going to spacewalk for seven days and fix it. So it was even interesting for me to just watch them work in this environment. And from the very first moment, the first download came I found our spherical phenomena. Did you set out to try and find the phenomena or did it start off as a sort of self-education exercise in watching the mission footage? It was everything. It was a self-education thing. It was a curiosity that of why no one from a year 1991 till 1994 had bothered to look at any other footage. And I was quite naive and wasn't aware it was all being downloaded because I bought into the popular culture or the urban myth that they were scrambling it and it wasn't available since 48. I've been a netter for 25 years as well as everything else. And I spend an awful lot of my day looking at video tape and it amazingly fast speeds reviewing people's programs for critique reasons and things. My eyes are trained and I kept seeing something. So when I started breaking the frames down I found you still couldn't find it. You'd go from this frame to this frame and there'd be a quick movement. So then I had to get a video tape recorder and SVH machine an older model funny enough not the digital model that literally when you rolled the thing it would break the frames into fields and in reality there are 60 individual pictures that make up one second of video and that's when I found them. So you were finding these on one of those 60 frames? One of the I found in fact the first one I found I only found one. And then I thought well I should be able to if this does real I should be able to do it again. And then I found two and it just went from there. What should we really be saying? How did you know that we were looking at something that was that shouldn't be there that was unusual? I mean, well the first thing is that in my career usually in one second of video no movement happens. You can look at 60 frames and you know the way the movement goes very not very much happens. It's not like those flip things where the little thing moves when you flip the pages literally in 60 of those nothing happens. Something was happening literally between one 30th of a second and one 30th of a second because there's 30 frames per second. So it was just sort of a let's look at this and and it when I found it was in a scan field and then it the way it works is it scans and scans. Very fast. But the phenomena seem to have disappeared by the second scan. So it was moving very fast. Very fast. So having being a manager and being in charge of television station part of my staff is a technical staff. So I started consulting our technicians on to destroy my discovery. I wanted them to tell me that they're there. You want to critique it is that one of them to tell me this this somebody could fake this you can't. Then I took the sample to make a long story short. Eventually made it up to the scientific community and to a think tank and a behavioral lab and a physicist and astrophysicists and they kind of you know just you know they just humor it to start. By the end of our meetings they had their hands on the control they were running up to the screen and they were holding meetings. They broke the entire pixel pixelization process down and found it was still there. It so they really didn't expect to see anything in the beginning but by the time you finished they were excited. I think they expected probably that we'd have more of a real time phenomena which which which which it's still spectacular. And probably I guess that they felt by might be able to explain to you as something perfectly legitimate or normal. Well you never know who's in the skeptics society of British Columbia. For instance the X-Files actor William Davis who is the cigarette smoking man in the X-Files is a member of the skeptics society. So I never knew with these scientists what where they were all what they were trying to do to me. Sure but the amazing thing about this other phenomena the one you that's virtually I would say it's invisible although it isn't once you see it you'd be in to see it all the time. Is it blue their minds it blue their minds. Did I offer any explanation for what I thought it might be or as I as a professor at Simon Fraser professor Weinberg who who literally said it had to be what it it had to be actually there doing exactly what it was but he could not he said we would have to bring we would have to go right to NASA and eventually we had a lecture at the planetary I'm here in Vancouver by one of the Hubble Pubas the chief chief Hubble designers engineers I that must have a great opportunity and what was interesting is when we showed him this spherical shapes on video clips on video stills he was comfortable which meant you know you know he could throw the ice crystal theory or because it was a very small sample at that point it was only the at the first time I'd ever done it at that point he confirmed that what you were showing him were ice crystals or no he just thought that that was basically he accepted it was a phenomena of some sort he just well they're comfortable at NASA because James Oberg who's the NASA debunker in my estimation had basically briefed them all that don't worry about all this stuff you see because that's just all kinds of stuff you don't understand about ice crystals so they they he didn't have any you know it was the Hubble fellow at the planetary in the after the lecture with the head of the planetary he he's that they're comfortable but when the still frames of the this second second phenomena were were shown to him he stormed out of the room did he saw anything did he give any reason he made some hoffs and puffs and stormed out of the room now we found I mean it that's very unusual kind of reversal and we obtained we meaning my an artist friend and I who's got more guts than me I guess in terms of walking through front doors we're so nice supposed to he picked up the phone after he got the number and phone this fellow and he got hello and and the second he said who he was there was back talk things like it's that guy with a the phone went down in other words we have communication was cut off not a very good public relations exchange for the no but we found it all that you know these are okay these aren't so anyway that's how it started so he professor Weinberg was a wonderful man said to me something he'd never said to anybody before he actually sat down sort of rolled his hands or his head and whatever hairy and and said you know I believe there are things out there and it's just a matter of an et cetera et cetera well my my friend my partner could not believe he knows this gentleman is worked through the Canadian space agency with him this professor Weinberg studies the effects of space travel on the brain right and shapes and whether they you know why they're why they come home depressed Elizabeth Bondar our famous first woman in space it had it isn't generally known in Canada but she was depressed massive depression for the first two weeks after she landed and so they really had to study what what's going on and they found that that this that they were missing that there was that's familiar shapes that we see every day not in the space program and that's what these people were doing working with the Canadian space agency to suggest putting shapes in parts of the shuttle where redesigning things to familiar reality for your subconscious right it says they have they talked orca whales up there and they photographed the brain and and put pictures in front of you and then colors flash and they photographing it's the only place at the university can get a parking spot because no one knows it's there I did I didn't know or not went there so um and he told me things he said get another flight duplicate the phenomena you've got duplicate what you did try to get the two different colors trading at multiple multiple ones in a shot because the STS 61 I was quite naive especially this this is not the second thing and so I I remembered that and I recorded the next shuttle and and I knew what I was looking for and I found it you mentioned something to me earlier about the lighting conditions and the light for you felt right with so full moon I think well I needed um yes at first I I actually thought you know the you I was my own worst skeptic I've learnt that and television you know you don't present anything unless you're totally researched and sure but I began to discover that that these were appearing in dark dark when the camera you know when the suns went down when the sun came up when there was refraction when there wasn't refraction I found them under every lighting condition and my only conclusion from looking at the video and and continually looking at it is obviously there they're just self-illuminating did they change at all under those those different lighting conditions when when aperture's change or the the sun goes down all the crafts in a different position do they appear to be any different no in fact they appear to be deferred just from every time you capture them sometimes you capture them when when they seem to have slowed down and you see more of a of a craft structure when they're moving very quickly you'll see this long streak but the interesting thing is um after you know just to use after a thousand of them and I photographed a still photograph them you lay them side by side and you start to see common things you start to see markings you start to see kind of shape you know it's not so you've almost been able to to classify them in a way there actually I've been calling them the second phenomenon but the way I see this is everything today that has been shot by humans from from here from the ground I call one that's one the space phenomena spheres outer space that shot from NASA's cameras is two and I thought it was top of two but this phenomenon I call number three there are two space phenomena and this third phenomena um I don't blame people for not discovering it or anything I don't think anybody has tried not to discover it I'm a sense to me like you had to go through a lot of work I just wonder how many how many people of my technical television background have tried this and I don't think a lot of scientists have I just know that professor Weinberg was absolutely knocked out of his he just couldn't believe it and as I built the sample up I didn't believe it more I couldn't believe I mean it's reached the point but I don't want to want to want to take anything away from the spherical phenomena the second phenomena to me is is absolutely unimpetable in a pponder in sense you know I was quite satisfied with finding two what phenomena to the the first space and I still am but this third phenomena is is is so against all of what we expected to be that isn't intrigued me much more it's not no archetype no Martin going back a little way you mention being your own worst critic if you like or or debunker have you endeavored to find video footage or feed from other sources to compare with yours do you're good one thank you yes yes I did everything I I taped through I taped I taped through two different cable systems I taped through into direct dishes and then the most extraordinary discovery of all was I I recorded CNN's live feed of a recent shuttle I think it was SDS 86 or 84 one of them of the docking and even though I guess a lot of people were looking for this spherical thing that knew about them I was looking for the third phenomena because I can see it now you know with that my eye can catch it and this to me would would show that it has nothing to do with my machines and has nothing to do with the dishes and this looked like good and it also was a great chance for me to prove to myself that the what you were saying yeah what I believe that if this is there it has to be there all the time it's they can't not be there and be there and so I figured I take the biggest chance of all and so I I broke down the CNN footage there they were and you know the CNN footage yes and well it's documented and the I don't think CNN even knew knew what they were seeing but what what stunned me is that was almost how much more do you need you know I really did not I I didn't want to come forward with the second the third phenomena but in the second space phenomena until I was able to be absolutely certain that that this had some substance to it I didn't want to lose the second phenomena I didn't want some of the to get diverted on this shoot it down and then say well that means that that incredible spherical phenomena that is is is I also documented in in great abundance I didn't want that to be a test after you'd collected this material you mentioned the gentleman at the at the planetary and that decided that he didn't want to talk about it have you have you spoken to any any other have you spoken to Nassur any qualified people there that might might be prepared to comment on what you've seen it's so hard to tell the story but again I then met a physicist from from California actually from Topeca Canyon who used to be a part of it's a think tank there red blue or blue green or something like that show who cares what it's called it but but the fact is he he was very very interested in the scientific and as well we we stayed away from anyone that was going to have gray aliens and things in it you know we were really looking to substantiate it as just there and he started course on ding with the Astro Chemistry Department of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the extraordinary thing about that is that he didn't communicate with on my behalf with just that department he communicated with the head of the Astro Chemistry Department and I've turned over the documentation which outlines the whole set of email conversations in which at no time to see say that the spherical phenomena is not on the tape what he does does is basically comment accepting the premise to the emails discussed both phenomena or just these fears no that's the interesting thing we decided that you know that it would be better to to continue our work which is which is massive I have massive amounts from every flight of these spherical phenomena I have examples of these things 300 miles away close to the ship and so I feel there's enough there to I didn't want to freak out the uh you felt that they might have been a bit much well I already I don't already seen Professor Weinberg's reaction and you really have to be right with them to hold their hand and I just felt that he might stop the emails we were absolutely knocked out that this man started talking to us it was the first time that I've ever heard of a senior major league JPL NASA player literally discussing what is on the tapes there's an example of the tether which is a 12 mile long electrical hundred million dollars satellite controlling electrical experiment yes I'm not a scientist I apologize for that but you know I'll get to these details but they and this tether um they are busy showing us from the moment it broke to the moment it's 300 miles away and at every point yes mysteriously it broke just in the right place if it broke a little bit too close to the shuttle it would have taken the shuttle out if it broke in a little further on it would have taken maybe destroyed the wing or something you know because you hear the astronaut say well couldn't have happened in a better place and then just to continue on on the distance as the these things start diswarming it and and as this thing drifted away they're continually showing us or NASA I guess you know through the downlink that this hundred million dollars satellite and the phenomenon followed the satellite this is the second that's very cool for the all the spherical phenomena and I'm not sure commenting on these things that's not that no at one point they asked and the astronaut says well it's a little bit of debris or something like you think you know that falls us around sort of that's you know it wasn't like oh this is this and then they dropped this there's a few of these things in the in the the footage or the I allow a lot of them there's more than a lot if you've ever seen a hornets nest after you've thrown a rock at it you know that's what it's like and how do you count the hornets so I'm they're all going in different directions and I use tricks like fast forward because when you go and fast forward if they're all stars they all go in the same direction you know these things are all sure moving but what was very interesting is they're saying how far is the tether well the tether is now a hundred miles and and they zoom with their incredible zoom in on it and you see some of these these spheres in front of the tether and some of absolutely clearly no problem at all they're behind the tether and if the tether's twelve miles and these are half the sizes the tether going behind it at one hundred miles away they're not specifies well even for me I'm I find it hard to believe that I could be crystals then yeah but again I'm merely saying that you know I like that that I'm just saying what they can't be and I've never heard of a six mileized crystal that spotted crystal clear a hundred miles away you know etc so there's hundreds of those examples then they've called them on the different videos one time they said they were shooting stars and meteors then the same phenomenon appears on the next flight and it's debris you see you see what I mean they've already established it on SDS 70 something that is something about five flies at one hundred miles a hour I believe this spherical phenomenon first appeared to John Glenn as early as 1962 and he did and it continued we have documentation from various publications that shows that they know clearly they didn't have an answer for three to four space flights they had an answer to what you know the blue haze around the earth is you know it's they had an answer to just about everything else but there's this very interesting thing about three or four flights in where it says John Glenn's fireflies spotted over Perth they're still calling them John Glenn's fireflies and but we have an astronaut making the comet on the 25th anniversary of moon flight he says it's hard to believe but he says it's a fact that we thought that John's fireflies again Glenn's fireflies were living critters not no time of I've read everything and not no time have I ever heard that before that NASA concluded originally that the fireflies were alive so so they were still calling them John Glenn's fireflies four flights in there's another interesting thing if you look at John Glenn's original photos which I have which he brought he bought a camera to Coco Beach drugstore even though the shuttle or the the the what whatever capsule even though they had a camera on that he took his own and when he saw the fireflies and it's all documented and it's even in the movie the right stuff he holds the camera up while the fireflies above his head and he says I better film or you guys are gonna think I'm nuts and when you see those pictures and you see the pictures of the shuttle today and the mirror you see the same phenomena it's not my being a spherical an interesting exercise to show John Glenn the footage that you've now got and let him comment on that I challenge NASA JPL story Muscree astronaut and especially James Hobberg to debate me because it's one of those situations where if they haven't done the homework I've done and they don't have the video I have and they haven't done the research and that they don't have a chance I wouldn't be able to downlink what I got I wouldn't be able to find the things I've found and do it consistently like I have been able to do if if NASA really wanted to hide it although you did mention to me my friend I shifted us a satellite at one stage or yes they've done some shifty things and there there are military people as well as the the non military people for instance there's a flight I have where there's it's basically the entire flight was the control room except for the spacewalk the spacewalk was to test the new backpacks and it's the famous walk because the fellow flipped around the astronaut flipped around it couldn't stop so that's what made the news but if you look at the whole spacewalk and everybody in the media had the chance this is a point where he says there's not Mark will you look out there there's an object right in front of you and the military fellow says I don't know what you're talking about and I just think to yourself if if I said there's a B about to sting you wouldn't you go wonder where there's something other than I don't know what you're talking about first of all what I mean you don't know what I'm talking about if I'm in outer space and I'm flying around and my partner says this is an object in front of you I wouldn't say I don't know what you're talking about and then his next line is never mind and then the third astronauts says am I missing something and he says don't worry that the lens filter came off now confirming the size and how close it must have been going and it's flying off at a 10 o'clock in the level of clock now when they first mentioned the object that they shuttle camera you couldn't see it so I was looking for it they drew my attention to it I looked and they're the object emerged and the third thing he's saying to the third astronaut is don't worry about it don't worry about it you know it's the camera filter and then he even confirms off 10 11 o'clock 10 11 o'clock you know and then there's a pause and the controller on the low tells him to stay vector shut up stay on course continue with what you wasn't doing and then the continuous if nothing happened is it if nothing had happened yet it's right on tape audio video and you see the object they're referring to so but my point was they didn't hide that from me they're challenging us to find it and I my only question is how come there aren't more of us out there finding I this is a big world and most humans love mysteries and the video is available if and many people have home dishes and even though NASA moved the satellite almost onto the horizon after the final that we were doing we still were able to get the satellite I just don't see I don't see I've had no agents at my house I've communicated with the Canadian space agency but I can't further for their protection at this point I can't give you the name but let me just say that we ran it by our own country space agency due to the connections we had what was their comment that it was the most popular underground tape among the astronauts you know that it was the one they they all wanted to have a copy and show their friends at night like that that was the reaction this is a great tape we love looking at everyone's just thinks it's the greatest no the Canadian space agency has been very cooperative that's what I'd like to say this Canadian space agency has been cooperative I communicated with Washington headquarters and received an answer and we've been receiving answers from JPL in California everyone's talking to us no one's threatening us and all the videos been totally available the whole time so so I don't hold the NASA is is going out of their way I think they make it difficult like anybody when I used to hide Easter eggs for me needs to nephew you you don't make it too easy my dog doesn't make it easy to find the bones he buried but and but it and it's not easy to do this is this is very hard I want to emphasize that even for me this has been very hard but fun thing to do and I think the papaner and something I think you have to do what I did you have to record every moment of every flight over a period of years if you're if you're looking to substantiate something of this magnitude and importance I took but professor Weinberg of Simon Fraser University said very seriously if you really want to do this duplicate it get it in every lighting condition get it under every circumstance get it in every circumstance you can and the one that made me happiest funny enough almost the last flights I recorded because I got it in black and white there was a CCD camera put on one of the flights and I thought that's that charge coupling device which is an electronic way rather than the old tubes these big tubes that are slower on their scans so as soon as the faster scanning and two CCD was on the black and white I challenged myself again you should be able to find them and I did so I've got them in black and white but I've got them under and I know what which camera I know where to look for them I know what events when the the in STS 80 when the door would open you know they had the space walk scheduled and the door would open I remember watching that seeing all of these this third phenomena the second space phone but the third phenomena all around the door and they were moving the door and trying to get it open and I'd never seen this phenomena do that before and then the flight or two later the astronauts were commenting right on the feed that there was something that come through the door they were seeing these flashing colored lights Something for the light, the flickering of air. You don't take any chances. What is this? This is the flashing from the air. What a light. This one. The spirit of the night. The spirit of the night. The spirit of the night. We've documented it and it's very solid. It isn't the type that would go in there, flowed around and then said, It's going really fast. You can't see it and it's all these popping colored lights. That was the first time I got some kind of a feel that the astronauts have seen from the thermometer three to the second space phenomena. It's something that should be this challenging. I don't know why most people think something this different is just going to be nuts and bolts, dirty feet across, nice, big friendly grey aliens come out, recognize themselves in all the ads that have been appearing in car companies. Turn on the TV and watch the new Roswell series. Visit the X-Fi. You know what I'm saying is that this phenomena is not what I expected to find. Just third phenomenon. But they seem, I believe they use the same operating principle because some of the spherical second phenomena, which I still emphasize is our main documentation. Can move away at rapid speeds as the video shows you. Do you believe the two phenomena are connected? Yes, I think they're very aware of each other. Somebody suggested to me what if they're the same phenomenon. But I've studied them extensively in the spherical phenomena, has different characteristics of it. I'm kind of a, let's just put it at that. Leave it at that. They're not in color. This is a totally different phenomenon. This one never grows at real speed. It says if something comes up to your nose and in one third if the second has a tour, like an iceberg or something, or you know,MA glacier, and then leaves without a statement. Without a statement, they'll aware of it. And if it chooses for whatever reason to look at something, it tends to slow down. And that's why I believe it appears when there's a hundred million dollars satellite disrupting the air. It appears when the Hubble Space Telescope is being repaired. It appears when whenever something is happening, it's an amazing phenomena. And what I like about it is, there's these are nice, there's nobody in science in Canada that I don't know. I've ever met and David Serrida, my partner, in terms of the research and not a partner. Let's just say he's as interested as I am and he volunteered to take on that role. Nobody said to him that this, what this is. Nobody suggested anything except that it must be what it is. But they don't know where to go with it. They don't know what to do with it. They don't know how to react. It's easier if you can sort of argue that may or may not be something. But once you just look at it, it stands you. In December 1997, in the Brazilian capital of Brazil, representatives from over 50 nations took part in a major international UFO Congress. Among them was Alexander Ballandine, a former Soviet cosmonaut who spent six months aboard the Mayer Space Station. In his lecture, Ballandine conceded that he and many other cosmonauts had seen UFOs. We cosmonauts had a golden rule he said. If you see something strange, keep watching it, because you may never see something like it again. Later, Ballandine shook the assembled audience when he claimed that future anomalous images observed and or recorded in space would be shared between the Russian space agency, NASA and a special forum of UFO researchers. This was an unprecedented announcement, delivered from prepared notes that would have to have been sanctioned by the Russian government, not least because Ballandine was driven to and from the Russian embassy in Brazil each day in a diplomatic limousine. Over breakfast and with UFO researcher Boris Choranov acting as interpreter, Ballandine assured Grand Bertol that some UFOs reportedly seen by both American astronauts and Russian cosmonauts were very real. But when Bertol ventured to suggest that some anomalous things seen in space might be secret Star Wars devices, Ballandine said, Of course, we accept this, but some of the things seen have nothing to do with these. Since that announcement, other former mere cosmonauts have come forward to speak about their UFO encounters. There's a huge fear. I think it appeared when we were over Newfoundland. The sea was in the background. The shining sparkling of absolutely even shape. It's shown like the balls of hang on trees and Christmas. Greenish and colour and all shimmering. Pushing possible to take your eyes off it. And if further proof were ever needed that the Russian space agency meant what it said, then this sequence, captured by Russian state television from within mere mission control, can only be described as proof positive. Note how the camera pans around the control room before settling on the main viewing screen. Was the subject of their attention these anomalous objects seen in close proximity to the mere space station? And in the same sequence, only this time recorded by Martin Stubbs from NASA's Downlink. Compare the two. These objects are patently of interest to those watching in Russia, so might the same be true of their counterparts at NASA. The first thing that's been shown in the world is that the world is a real world. The first thing that's been shown in the world is that the world is a real world. The first thing that's been shown in the world is that the world is a real world. The second thing that's been shown in the world is that the world is a real world. The second thing that's been shown in the world is that the world is a real world. The first thing that's been shown in the world is that the world is a real world. We want to make our world life better, Think of that, we have two things left, we only have one. Just let the world come right in depth. We've got a real picture, we just get into some video fuss. This is the where we coordinate that some of the ice crystals, but we were something out earlier, and yet some people figured. That's a great combination of the moonlight and the ice and the clouds. And it's a combination of, uh, but my big business is sparkle and they do as well as so as it's a setback to come up on the horizon. Thanks for the picture. The air space station is now visible on the far left hand side of the screen of the bow. About an inch from the bottom of this particular picture. And there were also a number of shooting stars in the view. The camera has now moved to the point. Okay, the mirror space station is the small flashing light. And the center of that inch from the camera. The left hand side of the screen is slowly. It is slowly moving closer to the left hand side, and it is very, very light flashing. We think, at the middle of the screen, we don't have the inside. We think, at the middle of the screen, we don't have the inside. We think, at the middle of the screen, we don't have the inside. We think, at the middle of the screen, we don't have the inside. We think, at the middle of the screen, we don't have the inside. We think, at the middle of the screen, we don't have the inside. We think, at the middle of the screen, we don't have the inside. The took idea has that Station by 만큼, to look out to us. And I have to watch the nights and skies. NoТы can never find anybody. Wow, Carl as you can. Never Mr. Sussley is still missing. Morphlier is still missing. Yeah, this is it. Nick can't hear them jump here, Bob. Slheartlanddale. Keep on. Now, you, dangerous, wh… Huh? or sending you an order to stay back there. We see the satellite now. Right spot at the end of the dead end of the other end. There's also a way to be bright spots, which is maybe in accumulation of the telephone sound. And we at Dominic and Camadela. Okay, we copied and understand as you're viewing it on the monitor, the satellite is at the top of the tether. That's correct. One bit. We had the camera, Bravo, come to see our vittet and fortunately we don't see the deeper the boom. But if you second you'll see the tether break and this one of course was not a tether, but it just recorded. It could not be bumped either. So it's where we record, steady the whole break and call it back to the tether. Copy, Claude. Here we go. Yeah. We're going to see the satellite. We're going to have to break it and hit it in the right place. So. We're going to see it from here. Yes, sir, we have it. Great picture. Come be in the satellite. Now 77 nautical miles apart. In that call reporting that the crew can see the tether and see the satellite. It's beautiful. This view showing a. The satellite. Again, I was just moving into sunrise. 81 nautical miles now from Columbia. I'm going to see the satellite. I'm going to see the satellite. I'm going to see the satellite. Franklin, we see a long line. A couple of star like things and a lot of things swimming in the foreground. Can you describe what you're seeing? The long line is the tether. And there's a little bit of debris that kind of light with us. And it's a limited by the sun. That's a lot of light. And it's getting washed out quickly. But that's a lot of time to do a quick good job. Yeah, go to the cameras. Copy that. In that description by the crew, this is the tether in the satellite. The satellite was 12. Approximately 12 miles of tether still attached to it. Columbia in the satellite to now just passing over. The west coast of northern Africa. The two spacecraft and now 90 nautical miles apart. Controlers for the satellite to did have communications with it during the close pass between Columbia and the satellite. Columbia Houston, that's a much better view. A lot more contrast visible. And how wide does that tether appear to be? It seems to resemble a much wider strand than we'd expect. Can you describe which way the satellite is visible on that strand? Yeah, I'm sure you can see the satellite. I'm sure you can see the satellite. I'm sure you can see the satellite. I'm sure you can see the satellite. I'm sure you can see the satellite. I'm sure you can see the satellite. I'm sure you can see the satellite. I'm sure you can see the satellite. I've seen the satellite. Settling like ten now. One hundred nineer miles. Nobody comes near the mettre at 7 am. Okay,plan thank you that is I should mirror exactly what she's doing on the inside. Okay. Right now, the handle is installed with the trap and the unlocked position. I'm going to rotate the tab to the locked position now that you're ready. We're ready. Okay, Tammy, we didn't see any of any motion on the outside. You would go ahead and move back to the unlocked. Let's turn back to the unlocked and it's only going on that tab. The recorders at the level, not for a life block and we'll not see it in our dictionary. And Tammy, if you could simultaneously trying to put it in the unlocked position, if you would move the handle a little bit back and forth. Okay. That's what we're doing. Okay, and we can see the handle moving on the outside. Okay, that's all. The reason is the case is that the lock is being actually loaded. No, we can't, we can't see any indication of that and it just may be a bad angle and two-door. Amit's the two and a half thousand hours of NASA footage recorded by Martin Stubbs. We have seen countless examples of the spheres, the first space phenomenon. But until now, few have ever come across, least of all, seen described, what has been labeled the second space phenomenon. Those that have have been left speechless, including aminant scientists, astrophysicists and, as we have learned, highly place figures within the Canadian Space Agency. Someone who was prepared to comment publicly after being shown less than five minutes of the footage was Guido Nigo, director of the city radio telescope at Golden Grave Observatory in Western Australia. What we asked, did he make of it all? Well, I was very interested in the missile, so I did it. Oh, looking at it. All right. And because this time we were not looking about footage taken off from some home movie camp, about someone that actually was blinded, it's been shot on. So, automatically dead gave us the fact that the future must have been real. Well, I was very well impressed. And maybe the sunken is the weird, not aware of at least the footage we saw camp to the true. And really are showing an alien spacecraft or something like that. I say that if there is a car at the people who are doing this spacecraft are an enemy of entire dead rays, because we are not children, we must know if we must know the true. It doesn't matter if there are people that don't know how to handle the true. Well, let me join you all as a will, and if there is a car out by thinkerstone, the car out of the forest. Guido could have easily dismissed this sampling as ice crystals at best for air at nonsense at worst. The fact that he chose to do neither is symbolic perhaps of the potential importance both he and a great many others attached to the footage. The owner surely now rests with people like Guido and others elsewhere in the scientific community to determine whether or not the second space phenomena is a genuine phenomenon. And were that proven to be the case, two burning questions would need to be addressed. Is it extraterrestrial? And is it intelligent? If they answer to either is deemed yes, we could have arrived at a historic moment. For Martin Stubbs, it would be the vindication of what he and millions like him have always maintained that we are not alone in the universe. His after all was a chance discovery, a fleeting glimpse of something that sped across his television monitor that most would fail to notice. He focused on that, he looked for more of the same, under different conditions, and found them in abundance. But found what exactly? Some of the greatest scientific discoveries known to man have often been born from chance events. But is it remotely conceivable that one of the greatest discoveries of all time could have been similarly unearthed by a humble cable TV manager operating out of a small community station in Vancouver? History will surely go on to determine the truth. Provided that is, others within the scientific community are equally prepared to explore the limitless possibilities now before them. But who among them will be courageous enough, ambitious enough, to step forward and examine this evidence? There will be many who will choose to ignore it, blinded by self-imposed scientific dogma and bland indifference towards all who champion the extraterrestrial hypotheses. But those that do express an interest may well find themselves embarking upon one of the greatest scientific tricks of all time. I can't explain it because I don't really think that's my job right now. I'm merely a person who's gathering greens of salt together and putting them in front of you. It's as if you have a carpet and you throw, you have a handful of salt and you throw the salt on the carpet. You look and you don't think there's any salt there. When you gather it up, put it back in your hand, you have something. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth. You have something to do with the earth.