James Fox discusses a CIA meeting on UFOs and the dismissal of an event by the CIA. He explains the FAA's role and the dismissal of the event.
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You think with members of the FBI, CIA and President Reagan signed to a study team? What was the result of that meeting? Well, he set the meeting up and my task was to hand off this event to the Reagan scientific study team because the FAA does not handle UFOs. And what do they do with it? When we get all done with our briefing, a couple hours, CIA man stood up and said, this event never happened. We would never hear. You're all sworn to secrecy and we're confiscating all this data. What do you make it as a subject in a student when you make it out? Well, that's exactly what happened with that one. I don't know. The liability on it. Why? Colonel Why? That's why they're not a question. I don't understand it. That's puzzled me for years. Very interesting thing is I made a memo up which is now public through no fault of mine. I did not release it what I'm saying. And I fully expected an investigation. I have never, never been debriefed. James Fox, you by the way, has a new movie in the works called Beyond the Blue is early one was out of the blue. Why do they deny it in your opinion as a layman? I would say what you can't control why disclose that information. I wouldn't worry the public. I mean, they're very job as to protect us. And yet they have no means of protecting us. So they seem to have not to be hostile. I'm not saying they're hostile. But they have no control of the situation. So why would they disclose? Why would they disclose? Why if is it that they don't know? And they don't like to say they don't know. I think that's a human nature. Don't you Larry? People, especially if they're in charge and they're in the government, they don't like to admit that they don't control or they don't know something because that means that if that's the truth, then there's a high degree of vulnerability out there in the public like it very concerned about that. Why would so many people, all of you like yourselves, be lying? Well, as you were the first one, you're what's yelling. What are you humiliated? You're kind of left at. Well, I think less so. And that's the purpose of this press conference on Monday with very convincing new evidence that's going to be put out there. I would hope that the United States government would start another project, blue book or a high-level commission that's instituted to really look objectively at these sightings. I thought it was very interesting because the Air Force's official position is that they closed terminated project blue book back in 1969 and they no longer investigate UFO sightings. But then you said that OSI investigated your case and the order came from somewhere else. It came from somewhere beyond the base and it was not known to base officials. It was done through back channel means. So they didn't investigate. They were saying they haven't been investigating since 169. That's the official position and yet they... Weird. Yeah. We'll be back with more of this additional American live as we further investigate the subject of UFOs on the way. And then the red light was sort of passing a blue book for the whole thing. But it looked like around this. And I was saying Mike, now you saw a B2 bomber. My response was we can land all 40 of our B2 bombers on the wing of that craft. I would go ahead and feel the craft which was tomorrow. Our panel remains joining us from Tucson, Arizona. His James McGee, he is an amateur astronomer and they retired United States Air Force pilot and a skeptic about all of this. James, after all you hear, and all you see in these responsible people is not cooks coming out of the street, doesn't that cause you to bend the little? No, not at all because what they're talking about is basically anecdotal stories and all of these things are basically easily explainable. There simply no compelling evidence that an alien spacecraft has ever visited the Earth. And if there were, and of course we would have scientists interested in this and they're not. For this to be a real phenomena, I spacecraft from another world, we would have to expect that the conspiracy would not only be among governments, among militaries, among the news media, but it also would have to be involved in all scientists and scientific organizations in the world. The James, are you saying that Colonel Holt and Sergeant Pennisden did not see what they say they saw? I think they misinterpreted what they saw. I think they saw lights that night. There was a cosmos, 749 satellite rocket booster that came down that night, a bright meteor fireball in the first night. There was a police car driving around in the forest at that night with his lights on as well. On the second night is clear that from the tape, which at the lighthouse is a five-second period and that he was actually looking at the lighthouse. It's also an earlier. I'm sorry, Gajim. It's also clear that the instruments they were using in properly, they didn't understand what they were doing. A starlight scope doesn't measure energy and only amplifies photons. They were using a radiac meter in an improper way that was used for field measurements and not for point sources. I have actually walked the ground there. I have taken a very specific Gajir counter to measure the area. There's nothing back around the area. Let him respond, Chuck. Well, first of all, we've ever seen a lighthouse move through the forest Larry. For us, on a lead approach you, received from you, exploded into five white objects, send down a lake, with an of a laser beam and do so into the weapon's storage area. I would define anybody to take a police car into the wood's dwindling gym when I'd he took a sheep and he had the dismount because he couldn't go any further. I do. You think he's lying, James? No, I think they're just missing purporting what they saw that night. There were numerous lights out there that night. Let's put it this way. Where would it been best to abuse this object that night? It would have been best viewed from the woodbridge tower. I interviewed the people that were in the tower that night. They saw nothing. They heard nothing. There was nothing on radar. I think the sergeant says it wasn't man. It wasn't man that night. The tower was empty. The ATC, the tower was man that night and the ATC facilities did have control. They're not here today. The British radar also saw nothing that night. Let me get a break and we'll come back with more of a Jambos Day with us. We'll also ask him to talk to Kelli Hanna about that Tokyo plane incident. You're watching Larry King Live, let's check in with Anderson. Where you were, Phil? Well, I was a district governor of 56 lines clubs in South West Georgia and I had to visit all the lines clubs in Maca speech. I was outside of a school lunch room one night right before sundown. It was getting dark and we'll get ready to supper. In line about 25 men were standing around in all of a sudden in the western sky we saw of strange light coming towards a round light and it got closer and closer and right above the plant trees it stopped and then it began to change colors from blue to red to white. And then it stayed there for a while. We were all aghast, we didn't know what it was. And then it disappeared into the west. That was the end of it. So it was a genuine UFO in that it was unidentified flying object but I have never thought it still don't think it's possible for creatures from Mars to come here and visit us and go back home. Before we have Jimmy Gae, he respond to the story of that the Japanese pilot and what he saw from his Japan Argo, a cargo jet. Sergeant Pennisman wants to respond to something the James said. Yeah, thank you Larry. It's just I respect James for his opinion. If I was in his position right now looking at us and looking at the story I probably have a lot of doubt about it too but this is not about light in the sky. This is about an object that is landed in the woods and was investigated by a team of experts that are from a very with aircraft identification in that and there's just no way in the world that this could be anything other than it was a physical craft. Hi, Jimmy saying he touched the object. He surrounded the object and the object took off and went into space. That's that's either a lab. Well, there's no evidence of that. I've never seen any evidence. Is there any of this lying? His report. No, I'm saying he may truly believe that he touched an aircraft. It also has something called co-pably, something called co-pably, co-fabulation. But the question is, is there any evidence other than his anecdotal story? His report that anything occurred and there isn't. There simply is no evidence. I would like to respond to something about Colonel Halt talking about the idea that the Air Force never contacted him or investigated him. This incident. Since the closing of blue book in 1969, it has been official United States Air Force policy not to take a UFO report. Pro-Con, negative for any otherwise. Actually, it caused a great deal of bad publicity for the United States Air Force. And they didn't want to be involved with it. So the official policy is if someone calls up the Air Force about a UFO, they simply say, they refer the people to local law enforcement agencies without the bomb. I wanted to say something. They don't want to cover it. We've got Jim John Callahan, but it's standing by. You want to say something quickly. Let's say one thing. Are you aware that the OSI did investigate this? I am aware that the OSI investigated, of course, the OSI, of course, looks into anything very often that security police do. And I don't want to get into why that is. What do you think, what do you think, Jim, of the story of that Japan Air Congo that saw the twin cylinders flying information? Well, you have to look at what happened that night. He reported seeing initially a light following him. It's interesting that the direction he was looking was directly at Jupiter, which happened to be of his brightest that night. But all the radar targets that were reported that the FAA itself in its report says was Transfonder, Clutter, and Scatter, and the Air Force as well. But what's interesting is two airplanes that night. United Airlines aircraft and a C130 that were in the area were asked to be vectored slightly off their courses, so they could view the aircraft that night. And both of them flew near the aircraft that night and didn't see any aircraft around the 747. John Callahan, respond, John. Well, if you looked at the video tape that we took, you could see that there's a target every time the Japanese pilot said there was a target at 12 o'clock at two o'clock that we had a primary hit there. Our own, well, the FAA doesn't agree with that. So, that's, you know, the FAA doesn't want to control the UFOs. Well, I was just saying, it's not there. You're going to remember now. If you were flying today and you looked out the window as a pilot, you said, hey, who's at my altitude, the first in the control would think of as I got two together and then he would say, can you tell me what kind of airplane it is? And you would say, yes, it looks like an F105. And they would say, if he got some numbers, you can give me off it and we'll track that guy down and we'll fix him for good for being up there. And you would say, yeah, he's his tail number. Now, we can't do that with a UFO. When the pilot looked out there and he says, I have traffic out here, apparently the three Japanese pilots are also lying. Okay, it's funny that everybody that's on the plane. And yet, I get a break guys, but my good point, we'll come back with our remaining moments just in the surface, don't go away. They saw the planets. I think Saturn was Saturn Jupiter Jupiter, I'm sorry, Jupiter. And the CIA considers Jupiter classified. And that I guess the FAA official was told never to talk about the planet Jupiter. So that's interesting. Still quite a lot of Los Angeles, hello. Hello, good evening, Larry. How you guys doing tonight? And quickly, guys. Well, it was the last, it was the most recent sighting in the United States and where was it and who saw it? Do we know five? Oh, here. It was a hair, United Airlines, so hair right over there. Yeah, it was a lot of press about it. Yeah. United Airlines pilots, crew, maintenance people on the ground. I actually talked to a couple of the United Airlines personnel and privately they admitted what they saw. They had a great shape object, broad daylight, punched the holes of the clouds when it left. But they would not go on the record because they were debriefed by, you know, airlines, and they, you know, I don't know, I said they would lose a job. I remember it was headlines in the National News when I heard it. James, they would have no point in lying would they? Are you asking? Yeah, why would these these, I mean, military officers, why would they lie? Oh, I don't question that military officer lying. I just doubt whether they're accurately seeing and reporting what they're seeing. They're missing and I'm very easy to be fooled. Yeah, we've run out of time, but I thank you all.