No Catholic Has Ever Been Raped by an Atheist

From John Kleeberger, Hi Adam, I'm writing regarding your Do You Fear God video post on Facebook. I thought about answering the question on the comment thread, but decided not to since there seems to be a tendency to discount an argument just because it comes from someone professing a belief in God, which is something I would like to address. First, however, the answer to the question, I fear God. I fear God because I believe He exists, and I believe He has revealed Himself to us through the Bible. Now, this is where I can dismiss you out of hand, not because you believe in God, but because your relationship to God is based on the Bible. I mean, if you think that there is an all-knowing, all-powerful entity somewhere in the universe, and he created the abomination, the disorganized mess of redundancies and contradictions that is the Bible? That's an insult to God! So anyways, now I understand that you will not agree with me on this, and I don't expect you to. I started writing an explanation of why I fear God, and I will be happy to share it with you if you like. However, I think that I prefer now to focus on the animosity towards God slash belief in God I mentioned earlier. I certainly understand the criticisms of religion. Well, it might just be that because you have taken that distorted view of God created by the Bible, that is, from the Council of Nicaea and those who would use it as a tool of social manipulation rather than one of spiritual enlightenment, perhaps that would go a ways to explaining your fear because it is the fear inundated by government and religion that is used to manipulate you. Many atrocities have been carried out in the name of religion over the years, but this is not an argument against God or his existence in itself. Certainly many atheists have committed immoral acts as well. Of course. I cannot think of any philosophy that is devoid of examples of adherents who committed immoral acts under the guise of said philosophy. Okay. The reality is that humans are corruptible. Whether you believe they start out good or bad, humans have exhibited an undeniable ability for corruption. So I believe that arguing any philosophy is inherently bad simply on that basis is poor logic. That's right. And I don't do that. I don't argue that Christianity is wrong or that the Bible is bad based on the actions of people following it. That's an argument from effect. No, I would rather have an argument that directly addresses the illogic, and that's what I do, because there's plenty of it in there. I bring all this up because I have noticed a tendency for your followers, as well as others in other areas of the liberty movement, to be atheists. This in in itself is not a problem the problem is the further tendency for many of these atheists to hold an animosity to anyone who would profess a belief in god or religion whatever form it may be now this is the bullshit thing and if you saw my video with tom woods who was a devout catholic who i absolutely love and adore um heck i've got a catholic in the room with me right now with with my wonderful intern here but no we can come together on the message of liberty we can love each other as human beings and we can still hate bad ideas whatever we think those are and this argument like don't have animosity towards people who profess belief in god or religion no no it's not hate the sin not the sinner hate the bad idea not the person holding it and it's it's the same argument like, oh, not, hate the sin, not the sinner. Hate the bad idea, not the person holding it. And it's the same argument, like, oh, geez, Adam, if you're an atheist libertarian, you shouldn't talk about religion. We should just come together on liberty. Well, we're coming together on liberty, but at the same time, we should be discussing these more important issues as well. And it's like saying, geez, Adam, can't we all come together on peace? You really shouldn't, you shouldn't challenge statism because you're going to, you're going to piss off the statists, you know, bullshit argument again. I guess I just don't understand the outright dismissal of people as unintelligent and illogical and the subsequent derogatory belittling comments. Instead of resorting to debasing people, why can't we have a real discussion? Well, we are having a real discussion. That's what's what we do on adam versus the man and yes we'll belittle statists the same way we'll belittle religious people but that doesn't change the fact that we believe and i believe that they are all free beautiful independent human beings and believe and deserve to be free i'm happy to hear respectful and logical argument for the absence of god why do so many atheists seem to want to avoid hearing respectful and logical argument for the existence of God. Why do so many atheists seem to want to avoid hearing a respectful and logical argument for the existence of God? Now, it's true. Just like there are libertarians who go and bash statists and have that animosity towards statists, there are atheists who have animosity towards Christians. And a lot of them, it's because they have personal experiences, you know, like being raped by preachers or emotionally abused by their parents in the name of religion. So that might explain some of the animosity that doesn't exist on the flip side. No Christian has ever been, you know, raped by an atheist preacher. So just the back and forth there, there is a difference in the dynamic. Now, I understand that we may disagree ultimately on which one is actually logical, as the two philosophies are mutually exclusive, but where the respectful part comes in of course these same arguments can be made about many on the religious side but if atheists are so anti-religion and so sure of their logic why would they bring themselves down to the same level as those they are arguing against i think many people are ultimately insecure in their beliefs and fear the possibility of being challenged good point i think we all need to be open to the possibility that we are wrong otherwise we just end up as sheep blindly following the leader if i can come to the conclusion that individual liberty is the answer or not government while believing in god or even because of my beliefs in god and atheists can come to that same conclusion i do not understand why we cannot unite on common ground and agree to disagree on the methods that brought us there i appreciate what you are doing and enjoy watching the videos you post as i said before i would be happy to discuss my religious beliefs if you are interested because i feel that a lot of people have a misunderstanding of just what the bible says on many things well i have a pretty good understanding of what the bible says on enough things that disturb me that uh i've spent enough time on that issue for now i just wanted to address the issue of unity in the liberty movement. If we can't unite behind liberty because of other philosophical disagreements, I believe it will be hard to make any real lasting changes. Thanks again for what you do, and for taking the time to read this, John Kleeberger. John, thank you so much for furthering our discussion about religion and politics. And remember, the march towards a voluntary society is inevitable, and we will get there one way or another. I have seen the promised land, and I know that we will achieve it!