Former Minister Paul Hellyer on UFOs and Utopia

My name is Paula Harris and I'm an international photojournalist and I'm very honored today to be in Toronto, Canada, May 7, 2010 to interview the Honorable Paula Hallier. It's been a pleasure to return to Canada after my 2005 interview with Paula when he talked about several controversial issues, one being the UFO question and the lack of transparency in the government coverup. But today we are very honored because Paula has written two books and we're going to discuss them on camera and they are led at the end of the tunnel a survival plan for the human species and that's the book that will also encompass the E.T. UFO question among other real serious world issues and Paula's book on a miracle and waiting economics that makes sense and this book is a real masterpiece of economics. He's done a great deal of study on this. So these are the two books that have just been released in the debut of these two books and Paula's kindly consented to answer a few questions. Questions that all of us have for him. Paul, 2005 was an important year for you several things happened in 2005. The last time I was here. And since we're talking about late at the end of the tunnel the book was that part of your thinking in 2005 that you would come out with a book and would you talk a little bit about that year? No, I at that time had no idea that I would write this book. It didn't take too long after that to decide that I wanted to write sort of a final book as a legacy. But in 2005 I was still getting over the death of my late wife Ellen and sort of living alone and decided to ask the widow of my best friend ever, the obuxer, if she would consider marrying me, she had been a widow for 10 years. And she said yes. So we planned our wedding for October 1st, 2005. And that is the year that I really got interested in the extraterrestrial presence and technology. I really for the first time. I had been a minister of nationally, Fence and Cade, and I received reports on sightings. We said this one was natural phenomenon. This one was not explained but never really been into it. But that year, I read Colonel Corsos book a day after Roswell. And it came with the conclusion that it was real and that this was an important issue. And so I made a statement at an exapolitics composed in at the University of Toronto and said UFOs are as real as the plane flying over your head. And at the end of the United States government started becoming clean on what it's all about because they're very important, military and economic issues that have to be addressed. How can you address a question which relates to a subject that people don't even want to admit exists? We pick up that last question, that last line. Yeah. How can you discuss a question which the United States government doesn't officially recognize as being on the radar? You told me also in an informal conversation that you thought this was going to be a one-shot deal. It's just going to appear. I think it was the University of Toronto and asked the important questions that you asked and made the important statements that you made and then all at once and you know five years later it was still, is it intriguing you? Well, I had no idea. See this speech was made just a week before I got married. And I asked my future bride if it was okay and she was, she was hesitant. She was reluctant. And I said, well, this is just be a one-off shot. I want to get this out in the open for discussion and she said, okay, to go ahead. Well, little did I dream where it was going to lead because of course after I was public then people wanted to talk to me and I wanted to do some research. I've been saying that I was just in the kindergarten of a few-a-f-full knowledge in 2005. I've probably in grade five or six now after doing a lot of research in the intervening five years and I have read many, many books and I now know more about the subject than majority of people and I felt when I thought of writing another book as a legacy that I shouldn't include a chapter, a primer really, on the subject of the extraterrestrial presence and technology and also to make a plea for full disclosure because the implications of what has been going on secretly in the last 50 or 60 years are really profound and most people have an any idea how important the revelations could be to their future as a species. Paul, you said you became very interested in the question because of policy issues and sociological issues and your book light at the end of the tunnel, a survival plan for the human species has actually first-hand information because you spoke to quite a few people. Some of the people that you spoke to are people like Travis Walton, Mire and this guy, Colonel Halls from the Vetwater's Case in England, a Nick Poll, who worked for the Ministry of Defense in England, a doctorate criminal, Paul 14 astronaut Shirley McClain and several other people who are first-hand sources for the whole UFO question. It isn't just that you read the books. Would you tell me while you were speaking to all these people what's going on in your mind and which person you found the most not shocking but the most impressive of all your research? Well, when you use the word impressive, they were all impressive. So I wouldn't want to single out one for that. I first of all, as you know, was brief by a number of very knowledgeable people including Dr. Stephen Greer who gave me a three-hour briefing on the people that he had assembled. Four hundred contacts of people from all walks of life who knew much from personal experience about this subject. And then as I went along, I wanted to talk to other people and for example, I wanted to interview a couple of contactees and they included Travis Walton, whose story was just tremendously interesting and I talked to for a long while over a couple of days and was totally convinced that he was telling the truth. But you learn a lot from talking to these people. He had a heck of a time when he was dumped off five days later from after his subduction, convincing people that it was no aruse. And he said the division was about 50, 50, about half of his friends and relatives believed him and about half didn't. So it took him a long while to recover psychologically from the experience. Another contactee that I interviewed, Great Life, was Jim Sparks. And Jim has been abducted probably more times, more often than anybody else that I've talked to. And he was tremendously interesting because at the outset he would fight these people and swear at them and do all of these things. Eventually he came to the point where he trusted them. And they trusted him and he got a lot of information. And he wrote a book about his experience and he gave me permission to use one of the most interesting quotes from that book. A several pages actually of a dialogue he had with the extra terrestrial's in which they indicated they're concerned about what was happening on earth that we were following up our rivers and our lakes and following up the air that we breathe with particles and really destroying our natural environment. And they're concerned about this and they wanted him to tell the world about it. So they of course encouraged him to pass the word along which he's been doing, both in lectures and through his book. But also to pump for amnesty for a lot of people in the event that the government does decide to open up the windows a little bit and let the light shine in. And the reason for that is because some of the people involved in what they call a black operations of the reverse engineering of the technology that came from the crashes and other contact with the extra terrestrial's is so interesting and so secret that certain elements of the United States government wanted to keep its secret even from their political leaders. And they've been working underground for years and years and years and heavenly knows what they've accomplished but in my opinion it would be a very great deal. And certainly one of the things that I want to know is whether in fact they have developed exotic fuels like zero point energy and coal fusion as some people who have worked there have indicated that they have because this is the way that we could transform our world in a time frame of maybe ten years or so and save it from global warming. And of course the other thing I say in the book is that even if that is not true that the extraterrestrials would give us that technology if we ask them to because they want us to save our world as an abduble place for ourselves and for their visits. These are some very incredible witnesses and Steven Gourry mentioned in the disclosure project 2009 where he has military people apart from military intelligence people who are involved. So this is a real cover of it's not something we're inventing and it's very complicated Paul isn't it because the United States government still has not admitted that Roswell was real. We're still at an open balloon with crash-taps dummies. They're still maintaining the fantasy that it was a balloon and it's you know so many people know that that's a lie. Hey can I cut here? Yeah you have to kind of repeat the information and her question otherwise people aren't you're talking about Roswell. Oh so he was talking but he didn't mention Roswell so we don't know. Okay so what will happen is you will keep my question in there right? If you want but I mean I have to mic on him you know I'm picking it up it's we can do it however you want. Okay okay just say in the Roswell incident you're correct. Okay can we throw in? In the case of the Roswell crash for example they still claim that it didn't happen but there were witnesses of all kinds who say it did and the cover up was in fact a lie and that's what I call it in my book and they started working on reverse engineering immediately after that and had some of the best brains in the United States working on it and have had ever since so this since they have come in 60 years or more as I'm sure incredible and that they have developed probably spaceships and they have probably developed exotic fuels and they're all sorts of things that the United States people and the people of the world have right to know about and that's the reason that we should never give up until the risk full disclosure but this has to be done by Congress this has to be done by the people who have been funding them without knowing what they were funding because it's not something that one person would want to want to take on their own say the present for example because I think it's just too dangerous but then once they decide to go this route they should have an amnesty as James Parks suggested after talking to the extra terrestrial so that people will be able to talk honestly under oath and not fear the consequences if they have committed some sort of major reminder of crime and the course of their careers now the Edgar Mitchell Apollo 14 astronaut has gone before the Washington Press Club and said Roswell was real that he was brave plus the fact that we had the 2001 disclosure project in Washington DC all those witnesses that Stephen Greer brought together we couldn't have more witnesses what do you think is the blockage for full disclosure and because other countries have come out with the fact that there is a UFO presence and that there are documents and there are sightings other countries have done it what do you think is the blockage? Well the blockage I think is really a desire on the part of a very small group and the United States to keep a lot of secrets of themselves and not to share them with other other people in their own country or with the world and why they're doing this whether there's a financial advantage to the United States or financial advantage to the oil industry for example of of keeping the existence of exotic fuels secret I can't say for sure but I'm pretty sure that there is there's somebody that's benefiting or think that they're benefiting from the power or the advantage monetary advantage of meaning maintaining this explosive little club that they've got which knows a lot of things that the rest of us don't know do you look at the whole extraterrestrial question as a benign question because people that do are in the know are in two camps good and bad or evil and good extraterrestrial presence how do you look at it? Is it not so that it could we're not benign in some way they may have done something to us long ago when we invented the atom bomb or yeah I think they're benign but they're as you well know several species that we know about and of course the United States government sometimes has told people that there's one species that is not but they never say who it is or which one and consequently there's no way of checking it out without this kind of disclosure that we're demanding because they may just be putting us on as an excuse for spending hundreds of billions of dollars into our birth against the extraterrestrials and this is I think something that bothers me a lot of concerns me. Tell me you know so many people in the know like astronauts military people you as it's minister of defense want to address this question and even the Vatican has come forth and made the statement that the E.T. is our brother and sister what how do you think that we can approach this with the general public so that there is no panic and no pressure and no change in the status quo or do you think there will be a change in the status quo? I think the public is prepared to accept it certainly if it is revealed in layers and not all in one fell swoop because it takes getting used to I went through this too you start out knowing a little bit and say well this is fine and and these people are benign and they've got a lot to teach us and one of the things that comes through loud and clear from all the research that I've done that they are in fact more spiritual than we are that we're less spiritually advanced than they are and so we should look out at them not as enemy but as brothers and sisters and and try and work with them for our own benefit and theirs as well but I think you know you've talked to a lot of people who realize that at some stage this UFO file was turned over to industry and the US government lost control of it and ever since then which and it's a long time back it goes right back to Eisenhower's day and this was the reason he was so concerned about the military industrial complex he said that we should be aware of them and and keep an eye on because they would do things that were in their interests and not necessarily in our interests and and this I believe is exactly what has happened that a small group of people benefit from this or a fear and you know Dr. Carol Rosen as I do and she worked with Werner Von Brown for some time and he kept warning her after he sort of mellowed that this industrial military complex had to have an enemy in order to justify such huge military expenditures when people are starving all over the world and dying from lack of medical care and so on and he said first it will be the common and they had a good run at the communists and then he said it will be the terrorist and now they're having a good run at the terrorist and then he said it will be the extra trestials and now they're trying to get money to establish a base on the moon and do other things which some of us feel is is probably more military oriented than it is scientifically oriented at least as much so and without really the American people ever having given sanction they have no mandate to do that no government has run on the platform of spending public money for the militarization of space on the contrary I think most people say hey this is a this is a common area it should be available for the utilization of all mankind and for the betterment of all mankind but we've got this roadblock as long as a small I call them cabal in the book who are the hardcore of the shadow government that everyone talks about which I also talk about in the book refused to come clean and I think they're going to have to come clean at some stage and Congress is the organization that's going to have to force them to do that and it's your book is very comprehensive because you talk about all of these and the way we should approach other civilizations in the world and you use as the most powerful phrase the golden role can you give us some ideas how we can change our worldview so that we are not a warring species killing each we are not judgmental over people that do not look like us or live like us can you imagine it but we're aliens and how can you give us some ideas how this can be accomplished because I know this is your passion well I think we live in an unhappy world where many things are going wrong and I start my book out by saying I think we have about 10 years to turn around and convert from fossil fuels to a new exotic energy or energies not the 30 or 40 years that all the politicians are talking about because that in my opinion will probably be too late and the global warming will proceed to the to the point where some countries are devastated like Bangladesh for example which could wind up underwater and many of the Pacific Islands and maybe eventually Manhattan who knows and so this where we're headed hell bent for our own destruction if we don't change and yet you go back and read history and I have a section on this and almost every major religion at some stage has taken on some other major religion and attempted to kill them off or some of them one at the same time proclaiming and they're you know they're basic rules that they believe and treating other people the way they would want to be treated and yet in action they do just the opposite and I'm calling for year for given us where all of the people who have fought others over the last 2000 years or more for give whoever did it and it's two ways and almost every case and then start cooperating and building the kingdom of God which I define as a world where everybody has enough to eat and some clean water to drink and a roof over their head and enough clothes to be decent and sufficient access to education to give them reasonable opportunity to be able to use their skills creatively and this would produce really the kind of world that that we're we all talk about and dream about and hope about but do very little about and it's interesting if you want to go back to the UFO thing for a minute that one of the early Canadian pioneers in this field will be Smith who had access to information from the star visitors some of us like to call them said that we've reached the stage and certainly he got this from them where we have to choose between good and evil and if we keep on doing evil I guess our fellow man in the generic sense the world is doomed whereas if on the other hand we were to choose doing good and all of the ways are open to us especially with all of this technology then we could create a world which would be absolutely stunning in the opportunities that it provides for for everyone so this is the point that we're at and I think the extra trestials are very very interested in which way we go whether we go forward which I would say was the way of cooperation or whether we just keep on saying well my power or my my wish to be present in this country or to be the dictator of this country or whatever such it's so strong and I have such a reason for it that I'll be glad to use arm forces to kill my enemies and luck them up if they get to powerful and so on. In other words the things that we've been doing and are still continuing to do in many parts of the world. Your book is a very very personal the area of the exotic alternatives to fossil fuels the area of world political cooperation using the golden rules because you tend to put yourself in the other persons' moccasins and the revamping of the planetary monetary system and transparency in government of those things I mentioned can you talk to me about the thing the one issue this mere interior heart and finally tell us how maybe we could fix it. Well the issue that is most urgent at the moment is changing the monetary world monetary system the banking system and this is a long story and I know you don't want to spend a lot of time on it but it is critically important. The banking system that we have is to put it bluntly legalized of fraud to put it in bull terms and we have to change it for the benefit of all. There are many things in my book that you will know from having read it where I talk about the world being run by a very small group of elite people who are immensely wealthy and who want to stay that way. They want to have the strangled hold on the resources and the wealth of the world and so they have introduced globalization which really hasn't benefited anybody except them in a tangible way and they want to keep a banking system which has brought more than 25 precessions and depressions they noticed say it's the last 120 years and now after one of the most serious meltdowns well the most serious melt down since the great depression they're pretending that they're fixing the system and they're not. They're just it's just a pretense and they're pretending to to slap the hands of the bankers who are responsible for it and it is just a tap in the hand it's like the finding a prostitute $20 for being on the street knowing that she's going to go back out the next night and earn more than that and the banks are doing exactly the same thing they're just laughing all the way to their balls. So this is a this is a profound area maybe might be interesting if I could just go through a bit of the history for in maybe three or four minutes or five. I just go back to the to the time when King William was fighting a war ran out of money somebody said well one way to get some more money is to start a bank. So we got the rich people of England to prescribe a subscribe a million to $200,000 is going silver and lend it all to the government of at eight percent which is a pretty high interest rate for government guaranteed loan but that's the way things go and then to show their gratitude the government allowed him the bank to print another million to $200,000 in bank knows and lend it to their friends at high interest rate. So in other words, they were allowed to lend the same money twice. Well in over the years through the greed of the bankers and the cooperation and use the polite word of politicians that ratio has increased dramatically. In the early years of the 20th century the federal banks in the United States had to have a goal reserve of 25 percent which meant that they could lend the same money four times. In my early years in Canada they had to have a cash raise over 8 percent which meant they could lend the same money to over 1 half times and today with this new system of of capital adequacy which isn't really adequacy at all it should be capital inadequacy they are lending the same money 20 times and collecting interest on at each time. Now that is just that is just legalized fraud and the fact that a tiny minority of rich people can get away with it I think is a disgrace. So I've been saying we're have to reduce that ratio of 20 to one to say 3 to one and reduce the amount of the proportion of money that banks that create from nearly a monopoly to I'm suggesting two thirds so that governments who own the patent on behalf of the people can print a third of the money 34 percent is the figure that I used in the book and use that to balance their budgets and pay for health care and pay for the transition from oil economy to something that would save the world from global warming and do other things that are essential you know like providing basic food and shelter for people all over the world and giving the the poor people a bit of a break. So this is what Scott to happen and I hope it happens sooner rather than later because of it doesn't then what is going to happen is that we'll go for another five or ten or fifteen years and have another meltdown and a few more million people will lose their jobs and their houses and their businesses and the thing goes on and on until somebody really does something about it and it's going to take a lot of guts to stand up to the banking industry because they're a tough bunch and they would spend billions to keep this from happening but at the same time it would be the greatest service to mankind that any leader or group of leaders could do and I just hope and pray that they will get at it trying to understand how the system works which very few people do but which you can learn in a few hours and then make the change and give the the world a break. You have said in the beginning of the book that we are hell bent on destruction and you have also delineated a lot of the crisis and the planet including the UFO cover up and the economic problem and the spiritual problem that we do not accept each other and aren't still worrying about this. If you were to give a message to the young people I'll legacy that you wanted to leave something that would help them change the status quo and enter this new world as you and I look at it. What would be your advice on a very basic level? My advice to the young people of the world would be it has to start with individuals. I used to describe this sort of thing like a beach. If the majority of the grains of sand in the beach are clean it will look beautiful golden and be very hospitable. If the majority are covered with oil slick dirty or translated into the wider problem evil or uncaring or self-centered then you have a dirty beach which is very unattractive and that is much of what's going on in the world today. We have very little personal integrity every time you pick up a paper somebody's ripping off somebody. The government of officials are ripping off the people or some people are trying to rip off the government by not paying their taxes or something to show that they're going in the opposite way to what we have to go. But this has to start with individual people and it has to come from the bottom up not from the top down or I must say that you know good leadership is very important and if you can get somebody with high moral and ethical standards at the top this will rub off on some of the younger people. But basically the young people have to change the world one at a time individually and try to make their motto motto to leave the world in a little better place than when they found it. And if everyone does that they'll plan a tree or two or pick up a counter two or do whatever is necessary. Don't need a dollar or two for somebody else's in worst situation and they are. And then if enough people do that they will then put the political pressure on the leaders to make the macro changes that are essential to change the monetary system and to stop global warming and do to do the other things that have to be done to in effect save the world.