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LMH: Do you remember the eyes? Stein: Dark; looked like it was wearing sunglasses. LMH: What was your rank and military branch? Stein: I was a lieutenant in the US Army Signal Corps, teaching at a southern military base. LMH: This is a different description than the six- fingered ones. Stein: Yes, the six-fingered ones looked almost like...according to the photos I saw, they looked like small human beings as far as the roundness of the face [was concerned]. like...according to the photos I saw, they looked like LMH: Do you know why you had a clearance to see small human beings as far as the roundness of the face _ reports about extraterrestrials? [was concerned]. Stein: Originally, I had just a TOP SECRET clearance because I was teaching classified cryptography, radio LMH: So you had exposure to two types of non- operations and cryptography to Signal Corps officers. humans? Then I started teaching all the NATO officers that they Stein: Yes, that would be true as far as seeing _ would bring over. I had European [officers], and Asiatic photographs of the six-fingered ones, which was the officers who came from Laos and Vietnam and extent of my exposure on that first type that were Cambodia at that time. So, I had a TOP SECRET supposed to have been in a New Mexico crash. clearance. The way we got that Grey alien—and I was told there My boss, Anthony Barden, was involved with the [were] some others, too—is that the saucers were _ classified Signal Corps school. He was actually in crashing. And the reason the charge of the school for the saucers were crashing was that " ° military, but as a civilian CIA in the 1950s we came out with a My boss and I and our unit man in charge of the military the US Air Force bases and | OF 2 Couple [of] dozen men Feng buche was actually control towers. Apparently, the were seeing the real UFO head of the CIA for the southeastern United States. Then the CIA got more and stronger radar signals were interfering with the saucer photos and documents propulsion in some way. collected from Project more involved with Project Blue After the early 1950s, maybe Book and when Anthony Barden the aliens figured out how to Blue Book and funnelled was up in Washington, DC, one counter our radar because after to the CIA." time, the CIA assigned him to work on the cases that the US Air Force could not explain. Those were the cases where the eyewitnesses were very LMH: Any information about where the spindly credible, such as state patrol officers and military Greys came from? officers. Those cases would be sent to Anthony Barden. Stein: No, not from my CIA work. The only thing the public Project Blue Book kept up in Washington were the explainable cases. That's why LMH: If you went with your boss to Area 51 to look — Project Blue Book never really had anything solid in it at a 4.5-foot-tall, spindly non-human and you had _ when it was cancelled. a few years they weren't crashing like they were. previously read about and seen photographs of six- My boss and I and our unit of a couple [of] dozen men fingered, more muscular, beings, wouldn't you have _— were seeing the real UFO photos and documents asked? collected from Project Blue Book and funnelled to the Stein: Yes, I asked if this was a different type and the CIA. "My boss and I and our unit of a couple [of] dozen men were seeing the real UFO photos and documents collected from Project Blue Book and funnelled to the CIA." LMH: Any information about where the spindly Greys came from? Stein: No, not from my CIA work. LMH: If you went with your boss to Area 51 to look at a 4.5-foot-tall, spindly non-human and you had previously read about and seen photographs of six- fingered, more muscular, beings, wouldn't you have asked? Stein: Yes, I asked if this was a different type and the only thing they said was that the Area 51 being was different from the six-fingered types. I understood that they had not run across more six-fingered types since a crash at Roswell. And there were photographs from an autopsy on the six-fingered ones that is like the one shown on television recently. They showed an autopsy on one of those beings that had a large wound on one of its legs and I saw that same leg damage in photos we had at the military base. LMH: By this time, 1957 to 1960, you said that the Harry S. Truman administration had already been dealing with what they considered to be extraterrestrial beings. Stein: Yes, they were. LMH: Why were you involved in an investigation of unexplained Blue Book cases when the government already knew extraterrestrials were involved with our planet? Stein: That's true that our government knew already, but they were trying to find out more. We had staff members in our unit that were going out and interviewing eyewitnesses. LMH: What years did you work for the CIA? Stein: [From] 1957 to 1960—when my four-year term was up, because I was actually in the military and came 52 ¢ NEXUS into the CIA operation through the back door. www.nexusmagazine.com FEBRUARY — MARCH 2009