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Q: Why isn't this information in the Q: By killing people off? facing us as a race on this planet are huge. public domain? It seems like people A: Basically, yes. Artificial viruses that I don't believe most civilians are ready and should know and would like to know, and _ have been deployed using a number of able to comprehend and deal with the there's no security risk if what you say is means are hard to detect or identify and sheer scale and complexity of it all. They true. nearly impossible to cure. Medical people have enough trouble managing their A: Scientifically, it's just a total gamble. in the public domain can't identify what's everyday lives, and these problems are on Not nearly enough is understood. It may happening. a completely different level. work, or maybe it won't. It could easily Q: How do you feel about this Overpopulation is really the biggest issue. make things worse. There may also be _ personally? Everything else facing us is connected health side-effects, weather side-effects, A: Very mixed. [Pause] As an with this. God knows what. It affects the whole individual flesh-and-blood human being, You see, I can understand the military planet and here you have a unilateral, non- I'm appalled. And as a scientist trained to taking matters into their own hands. If democratic decision, unconnected with the —_ look at things from a high vantage point,a there was full disclosure of all the political or democratic process, to launch a high overview, I have to say that can problems and all the proposed solutions, huge technological special project that understand the thinking. do you really think it would help any of affects everyone on Earth. If that's not You have to understand that I'm not — us? I suggest the answer is probably not. controversial, I don't know what is. It would just complicate matters The solution is to keep it secret. It's further. the usual knee-jerk solution, too. But deep down I do feel that Q: Will it work? w everyone should know these things, or A: I don't know. There are programs to else I would not be talking with you. Q: Is this also connected with reduce global population The essential message I want to leave weather wars? A: [Pause] Yes, there are weather with is that I do actually hope and want to believe that we as a people can for everyone's benefit. wars. The air force will own the Believe it or not, the handle all this, but sometimes I wake up weather within two years. . . sys " in the morning and doubt it; but deep intent there Is positive. down I want people to know the Depopulation plans important things that have been kept Q: What else can you tell us? from us all. But sometimes I do A: Read The Report from Iron wonder. Mountain. Much of that is true. I was You don't know what I haven't told working with a group down in [______ J]. defending or condoning this. It's justa you. 0 They called us in and passed out a report. comment from an abstract scientific The weird thing is that it wasn't even _ perspective. But the problems we face on Endnotes connected with what we were working on, this planet are so huge that very few 1. See http://www.waynesthisandthat. and it came just right out of the blue, out people have the training or experience to com/abombs.html. of nowhere, and none of us was expecting __ view it all, to see it all in the same field of 2. See http://lanl.arxiv.org. it. The guy said, and I'll never forget it vision. 3. Henry later clarified by email that because it struck me as just wrong: "There My situation was different, and I gota "Kennedy was not responsible for carrying are the wolves and there are the sheep, and chance to see a lot of things because of the out the RAND think-tank results...he only we are the wolves." Then they told us to nature of my work. Most people don't see requested the study be done". go and read the report, and that was that. it all. But I've worked with many agencies 4. See US Code Chapter 32, Title 50, There wasn't any choice, and there still and I have the big picture. sections 1520a and 1515. isn't. The way they see it is there are too Do you know that it's legal to test many people, and, you know, they're right. biological and chemical agents against US_ About the interviewers: That's true. So they figure they need to citizens? It's egal. You know, all that has Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are the team eliminate them and they're planning _ to be done is to get the approval of the — behind Project Camelot. Last edition we solutions to this. I happen to think it mayor of the city, or his equivalent in any _ published their interview with "Mr X". For doesn't have to be that way. Apart from area, or some representative official. No _ the full text of their interview with "Henry what I've mentioned so far about the _ one knows this, but it can be checked out. Deacon", go to http://projectcamelot. space-time problems, the problem is Go look it up. It's all carefully hidden — org/livermore_physicist.html. A video overpopulation. It's as simple as that. away in the law somewhere, but it's all in interview with Dan Burisch is also on the There are programs to reduce global __ the public domain. It's all there. website http://projectcamelot.org. population for everyone's benefit. Believe Q: You've revealed a whole lot of If any readers have inside information it or not, the intent there is positive. It was extraordinary material here in our which they would like publicised, Project put together by Kennedy way back then. conversation. What's the most important Camelot promises full confidentiality and The RAND Corporation was involved, and message you'd like to leave people with? a wide audience for the disclosure of one of the Rockefellers—I forget which A: Look, I don't want to shock anyone, important subject matter. Email one; probably Laurance, I think.* but I'm not optimistic. The problems — support@projectcamelot.org. Q: By killing people off? A: Basically, yes. Artificial viruses that have been deployed using a number of means are hard to detect or identify and nearly impossible to cure. Medical people in the public domain can't identify what's happening. Q: How do you feel about this personally? A: Very mixed. [Pause] As an individual flesh-and-blood human being, I'm appalled. And as a scientist trained to look at things from a high vantage point, a high overview, I have to say that I can understand the thinking. You have to understand that I'm not "There are programs to reduce global population for everyone's benefit. Believe it or not, the intent there is positive." defending or condoning this. It's just a comment from an abstract scientific perspective. But the problems we face on this planet are so huge that very few people have the training or experience to view it all, to see it all in the same field of vision. My situation was different, and I got a chance to see a lot of things because of the nature of my work. Most people don't see it all. But I've worked with many agencies and I have the big picture. Do you know that it's legal to test biological and chemical agents against US citizens? It's legal. You know, all that has to be done is to get the approval of the mayor of the city, or his equivalent in any area, or some representative official. No one knows this, but it can be checked out.* Go look it up. It's all carefully hidden away in the law somewhere, but it's all in the public domain. It's all there. Q: You've revealed a whole lot of extraordinary material here in our conversation. What's the most important message you'd like to leave people with? A: Look, I don't want to shock anyone, but I'm not optimistic. The problems you. Endnotes 1. See http://www.waynesthisandthat. com/abombs.html. 2. See http://lanl.arxiv.org. 3. Henry later clarified by email that "Kennedy was not responsible for carrying out the RAND think-tank results...he only requested the study be done". 4. See US Code Chapter 32, Title 50, sections 1520a and 1515. About the interviewers: Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are the team behind Project Camelot. Last edition we published their interview with "Mr X". For the full text of their interview with "Henry Deacon", go to http://projectcamelot. org/livermore_physicist.html. A video interview with Dan Burisch is also on the website http://projectcamelot.org. If any readers have inside information which they would like publicised, Project Camelot promises full confidentiality and a wide audience for the disclosure of important subject matter. Email support@projectcamelot.org. NEXUS +65 DECEMBER 2006 — JANUARY 2007 www.nexusmagazine.com