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He said, "That is accepted fact in Washington and especially at the Pentagon, young man." The Pentagon controls such disclosures." He stared at me and then said, "Yes, I get your point. You were and are on the cutting edge of technology, Mac. Hell, you have seen events I can only dream about.". I replied, "Yes, sir; more than you know!" Senator Barry Goldwater on UFO Secrecy ave seen events I can only dream about.". Ihad some understanding of his alleged statements regarding I replied, "Yes, sir; more than you know!" UFOs in the past and brought up the popular story of his effort to gain entry into a special storage area at Wright-Patterson Air German Scientists and Reverse-Engineering in the US Force Base that purportedly had alien artifacts in it. I then tested the Senator with another question. I asked him if He said, "Yes, that's the main event concerning me and UFOs. was at that time aware of the fact that several former German I was under the impression that a US Senator with a past as a scientists were assigned to Wright Field following World War II. Major General in the US Army Air Corps and a member of the He said, "No, Mac, I was not." US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for many years Then, one of the nearby launch-viewers came close to our would carry some weight in my allowances to enter such an area location and I stopped the discussion. The man wanted to say of military secrecy. I was rudely awakened to reality very ello and shake the hand of Senator Goldwater. swiftly when I was denied passage. It had Following his departure, I continued. me angry enough to discuss it with a "Those Germans were at Wright since personal friend of mine in the military and post-World War II and were assigned to inquire why my position in the US Senate reverse-engineer certain retrieved hardware had no such allowance. that was suspected to be of alien origin. "My friend, General Curtis LeMay, cGaLA . . They accomplished that assignment with the Chairman of the Military Joint Chiefs of This cussing out did object that crashed in Kecksburg, Staff at the Pentagon, very angrily told me awaken me to one fact: Pennsylvania. It was taken to Wright that I had no need to know. He gave me a . . Field." lot of hell about my activities at that the UFO situation Senator Goldwater said, "Yes, I recall that Wright-Patterson. He threatened to end our i i incident. What was it? Do you know?" friendship for life! My God, Mac, that Is the highest level of I replied, "Yes, sir; it was a Soviet failed surprised the hell out of me. LeMay added, national secrecy. mission to Venus in 1965. It was not alien, "You stay clear of our mutual friend, H Senator. The public was led to believe it "Butch", too [meaning General William Much higher than the was a UFO. Far easier to explain than a "Butch" Blanchard]; his having been at Roswell [later Walker] Army Air Base and the 509th will not gain you any favour for knowledge of that Roswell crash claim." Goldwater added, "Mac, Butch Blanchard was also a very valued friend of mine since World War II. He was the person who announced that a disc had crashed near Roswell in 1947. This cussing out did awaken me to one fact: that the UFO situation is the ighest level of national secrecy. missile from the USSR hitting within the USA." Goldwater agreed. He asked if I was aware of who the Germans were. I replied, "Yes. One is Siegfried Knemeyer, the former head of the German RLM [the Reichsluftfahrtministerium], the Third Reich's Air Ministry for aircraft development for the Luftwaffe. Another is Dr Hans Amtmann, an expert in vertical take-off aircraft. One other I am familiar with is Dr Much higher than the H-bomb was, Alexander Lippisch, who is more well and more than anything else that is known and a pioneer in tailless nown within the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, etc. That is, aircraft, the US delta-wing fighter—the F-102A Delta Dagger— H-bomb was, and more than anything else that is known within the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, etc." nothing is higher security than aliens being here on this planet. and an advanced design of a ground-effect flying boat. I'm Then I realised Curtis was correct. And I never again almost certain these men also did a reverse-engineering on the approached him on the subject. That seemed to prove to me that object that crashed near Roswell, New Mexico." UFOs were a fact, and do exist. But, are they all aliens? I highly I could see that what I was telling the Senator may have had suspect a majority are! Hell, they are no doubt far ahead of our his mind ina spin. So, I slowed down. level of intelligence. The United States Air Force knows the He said, "Mac, what are you doing here? We need people like truth, but will they ever reveal it to this nation?" you in DC." I quickly said, "Yes, Senator, some UFOs sighted, I have I said that my place was right here at KSC. I noted the learned through the ONI [Office of Naval Intelligence], are countdown clock was at two hours and 27 minutes prior to the alien." launch of Apollo 1], and asked him if he would like a soft drink. His eyes brightened up and showed surprise. "Mac, how He said, "Yeah, maybe a shot and a beer, after hearing all you would you know that as a fact and I was denied the truth?" have said, Mac." He laughed. I said, "Senator, I was here, at KSC, and had also been at Cape I smiled and went for two Pepsi-Colas. When I returned, he Canaveral since the start of our national space program. With all continued the conversation. due respect for your great accomplishments, sir, you were not. "Mac, you work in one of the most secretive and important I've heard and seen things that, without any doubt, proved to me areas of our national security on the cutting edge of space science that UFOs and star races exist." and are no doubt aware of much that has happened and is I said, "Congress is not made aware of secrets of this calibre. happening during our missions into space." "This cussing out did awaken me to one fact: is the highest level of national secrecy. Much higher than the H-bomb was, and more than anything else that is known within the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, etc." 52 * NEXUS JUNE — JULY 2006 that the UFO situation www.nexusmagazine.com