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many years in the laboratories of major pharmaceutical houses and the US government's National Institutes of Health. He is now retired and has reluctantly agreed to speak out. In my opinion, his testimony matches all the other claims that I have studied in past many years in the laboratories of major pharmaceutical houses but when you are healthy you don't contract the diseases as easily. and the US government's National Institutes of Health. He is now Q: What did you feel when you completed your own retired and has reluctantly agreed to speak out. In my opinion, his investigation? testimony matches all the other claims that I have studied in past A: Despair. I realised I was working in a sector based on a col- years. lection of lies. This interview that follows is important not only because of Dr Q: Are some vaccines more dangerous than others? Randall's intimate knowledge of vaccine dangers but for his testi- A: Yes. The DPT shot, for example. The MMR. But some mony about the inside workings and cover-ups between govern- lots of a vaccine are more dangerous than other lots of the same ment and the vaccine industry—the two sources that keep trying vaccine. As far as I'm concerned, all vaccines are dangerous. to assure Americans that they can be trusted. This major excerpt Q: Why? is perhaps the best single written summary of the back-up evi- A: Several reasons. They involve the human immune system dence for the case against immunisations. in a process that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed to prevent. INTERVIEW WITH A FORMER VACCINE RESEARCHER Q: Why are we quoted statistics which seem to prove that vac- Q (Jon Rappoport): You were once certain that vaccines were cines have been tremendously successful at wiping out diseases? the hallmark of good medicine. A: Why? To give the illusion that these vaccines are useful. If A (Dr Mark Randall): Yes, I was. I helped develop a few vac- a vaccine suppresses visible symptoms of a disease like measles, cines. I won't say which ones. everyone assumes that the vaccine is a succ But, under the Q: Why not? surface, the vaccine can harm the immune system itself. And if it A: I want to preserve my privacy. causes other diseases—say, meningitis—that fact is masked, Q: So you think you could have because no one believes that the vaccine problems if you came out into the can do that. The connection is over- open? looked. A: I believe I could lose my "[Vaccines] involve the human Q: It is said that the smallpox vac- pension. 2 . cine wiped out smallpox in England. Q: On what grounds? Immune system Ina process A: Yes. But when you study the A: The grounds don't matter. i available statistics, you get another These people have ways of causing . that tends to compromise picture. you problems, when you were once immunity. They can actually Q: Which is? "part of the Club". I know one or two A A: There were cities in England people who were put under surveil- cause the disease they are where people who were not lance, who were harassed. supposed to prevent." vaccinated did not get smallpox. Q: Harassed by whom? There were places where people who A: The FBI. were vaccinated experienced smallpox Q: Really? epidemics. And smallpox was already A: Sure. The FBI used other pre- on the decline before the vaccine was texts. And the IRS can come calling, too. introduced. Q: So much for free speech. Q: So you're saying that we have been treated to a false history. A: I was "part of the inner circle". If now I began to name A: Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. This is a history that names and make specific accusations against researchers, I could has been cooked up to convince people that vaccines are invari- be in a world of trouble. ably safe and effective. Q: Do you believe that people should be allowed to choose whether they should get vaccines? Vaccine contamination A: On a political level, yes. On a scientific level, people need Q: Now, you worked in labs where purity is an issue. information so that they can choose well. It's one thing to say A: The public believes that these labs, these manufacturing choice is good. But if the atmosphere is full of lies, how can you facilities, are the cleanest places in the world. That is not true. choose? Also, if the FDA were run by honourable people, these Contamination occurs all the time. You get all sorts of debris vaccines would not be granted licences. They would be investi- introduced into vaccines. gated to within an inch of their lives. Q: For example, the SV40 monkey virus slips into the polio Q: There are medical historians who state that the overall vaccine. decline of illnesses was not due to vaccines. A: Well yes, that happened. But that's not what I mean. The A: Iknow. For a long time I ignored their work. SV40 got into the polio vaccine because the vaccine was made by Q: Why? using monkey kidneys. But I'm talking about something else. A: Because I was afraid of what I would find out. I was in the The actual lab conditions. The mistakes. The careless errors. business of developing vaccines. My livelihood depended on S$V40, which was later found in cancer tumours...that was what I continuing that work. would call a structural problem. It was an accepted part of the Q: And then? manufacturing process. If you use monkey kidneys, you open the A: I did my own investigation. door to germs which you don't know are in those kidneys. Q: What conclusions did you come to? Q: Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different A: The decline of disease is due to improved living conditions. types of contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you Q: What conditions? find in your many years of work with vaccines? A: Cleaner water. Advanced sewage systems. Nutrition. A: All right. I'll give you some of what I came across, and I'll Fresher food. A decrease in poverty. Germs may be everywhere, also give you what colleagues of mine found. Here's a partial list. is interview that follows is important not only because of Dr Randall's intimate knowledge of vaccine dangers but for his testi- mony about the inside workings and cover-ups between govern- ment and the vaccine industry—the two sources that keep trying to assure Americans that they can be trusted. This major excerpt is perhaps the best single written summary of the back-up evi- dence for the case against immunisations. "[Vaccines] involve the human immune system in a process _that tends to compromise - MMe 2 ae immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed to prevent." Vaccine contamination Q: Now, you worked in labs where purity is an issue. A: The public believes that these labs, these manufacturing facilities, are the cleanest places in the world. That is not true. Contamination occurs all the time. You get all sorts of debris introduced into vaccines. Q: For example, the SV40 monkey virus slips into the polio vaccine. A: Well yes, that happened. But that's not what I mean. The SV40 got into the polio vaccine because the vaccine was made by using monkey kidneys. But I'm talking about something else. The actual lab conditions. The mistakes. The careless errors. SV40, which was later found in cancer tumours...that was what I would call a structural problem. It was an accepted part of the manufacturing process. If you use monkey kidneys, you open the door to germs which you don't know are in those kidneys. Q: Okay, but let's ignore that distinction between different types of contaminants for a moment. What contaminants did you find in your many years of work with vaccines? A: Allright. I'll give you some of what I came across, and I'll also give you what colleagues of mine found. Here's a partial list. 12 = NEXUS www. nexusmagazine.com FEBRUARY — MARCH 2006