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LMH: Why do you think advanced intelligence—one or more of them—would even allow the United States or any country on this planet to develop weapons in space? Why wouldn't they interfere, because it is too dangerous? CR: From my information, they do not interfere. They will not, however, allow us to take our weapons and toxins into space. They will, however, let the human species do whatever it does to itself. That's the information I've been given and that's what I see happening. I have no evidence myself for this, but I've read that OPCs [off-planet cultures] have shut down the attempt to put operational weapons in space. I have also been given information that they will not interfere with what we do. However, there is a possibility that they would leave if we set off nuclear bombs, nuclear technology, and/or continue with the space-based weapons program. I am moving to Ecuador now, but we have an office still in Vancouver, BC, Canada, and people I'm working with here will continue in the United States. I'll be doing it from Ecuador. But I'm 60 years old now and I've gone through this issue for 30 years now, day and night, holding as von Braun did this piece of infor- mation about this big lie that's being told, this canopy of lies that especially in the US—and because we keep it such a big secret here—has been kept over our heads. It's like we live behind this veil of secrecy and so many of us who know pieces of it, whether it's intuitively or by experience or by a learning process, keep way under the radar. We talk about it at dinner from a non-believing state to a giggle to an "Oh my God! This is real!" LMH: But Carol, if the United States of America has already militarised space of this planet, how could we possibly achieve a treaty now to eliminate space-based weapons? CR: Because we have not weaponised space. There are not operational weapons in space, patrolling us at this time. We have just enough time to get a Space Preservation Treaty signed into law. You can see this treaty draft at http://www.peaceinspace. now available to us: we have the bill in Congress and a real treaty to be signed. LMH: And if this does not happen, Carol, what is the worst- case scenario in your mind? CR: In my mind, it's inevitable obliteration of the human species. I believe that is a very possible reality. I think we are very close to it; we are in grave danger from any one of a number of man-made or natural disasters that could occur. LMH: But China, for example, is going to be going to the Moon shortly and the US is concerned about China as a political force on the Earth. I can't help but wonder if we are already headed toward territorial conflicts in the next five or six years about who is on the Moon. CR: We are headed toward territorial conflicts in space and on the Moon. That's the whole point of this in the Earthbound con- text and paradigm. But China does not want weapons in space; [its] leaders have said that for many decades. So has Russia said that. These are the two main space superpowers with the United States. LMH: That's why the Wernher von Braun statement that the United States would use extraterrestrials on an Enemies List is significant here, because we would then justify space-based weaponry against extraterrestrials? CR: That we would justify space-based weapons against any country that the US population and government leaders will buy into as long as that scenario holds. By the way, everything that I've just said to you has already been proven to come true [sic]. In 1977 I was talking about the fact that there was going to be a Gulf War, because I was in a meeting when it was being planned—in 1977! It's one of the reasons I woke up and resigned from my cushy position in the industry. I couldn't believe there was a chart on the wall of potential enemies against which we were going to build space- based weapons that I and most people in the room had never even heard of. This is how these wars are planned, and I went forward with that story for years. com. heard of. This is how these wars are planned, and I went forward You can also see the companion Space Preservation Act [bill] with that story for years. now—the number is HR 3657—that's been introduced into the Congress [by Congressman Dennis Kucinich. Congress in a the US and this | U.S. Space Preservation Act administration are not going to produce a ban on space-based weapons—in WIR 3657 TH fact, the next administration ee might not, howncees either—unless we get world leaders to sign Te preserve: the eooperadive, peacedul uses of sparc for the bereft of oll Ramankind by prababiting the basing of weapons in space and whe sae of aaapans to destroy or damage objects in space thet are inorbil, and for other purposes. the Space tea IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES That treaty getting signed December &, 2003 would put the necessary pres- sure that we need on the US Congress and administration. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) introduced Carol Rosin's US Space Preservation Act as House Bill 3657 So, the answer is on December 8, 2003. 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