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tell Senator Pell this and let's clean this up something. And I think the message from CBSJ: Linda, I don't know technically or have that stopped or get this going." It the hero scientist of the Soviet Union...you whether we are or not. If in fact they was easy for me to say I was glad to do __ put it together. He knew where I was and emanate on a frequency spectrum that we that, and that kept the relationship warm _ he knew what we had been talking about can monitor, the answer certainly must be and ongoing. for two days. "Yes". But I suspect there may be I was in the Institute of Theoretical LMH: UFOs... frequencies in spectrums we don't Problems, and the Director told me late one CBSJ: That's right. So I don't think he recognise. It might be a dimensional thing, afternoon, "Tomorrow there is going to be came principally to talk about a phased- —_ and I don't think we know how to check for something new to the agenda. A very array radar in any other context than UFOs. frequencies in this dimension and then shift senior scientist, a hero of the Soviet Union, And I think what the translation should to another dimension to check for wants to meet with you." frequencies there. T asked, "What does he want to meet Now, we had been meeting for two The Chinese told me over and FIMteT Disclosure to Make days on the subject of UFOs at that over again of the amount of LMH: What was the most provoca- time suid, "He will tell you." evidence they have from which ye information that you ran into in He was a huge man, and when he they conclude that the ET CBSJ: The Chinese can be very swept into the room his presence just phenomenon is real, in the sense direct, bless them for that. They just took over and people pulled back from . simply told me it was "an outrageous him. I held my ground as best I could, that there are real, tangible craft and transparent lie that you come to and he got right up in my face and it penetrating their airspace. China and allege that you don't know was a finger-pointing monologue on what your own country is doing in these his part. He was telling me that the [UFO] fields"—essentially, "How dare antiballistic missile treaty that had just you go to our people in the military been completed was completely unfair, and have been was that this radar is important attaché and our embassy in Washington, our insistence that the Soviet Union take to us—the Soviet Union and the United DC, and say you would like to meet senior down a large phased-array radar was not _ States. people in the following academies and justified. And if I had had my wits about me,I institutes who are doing the important He said, "This is an important radar. Itis should have asked, "What is the frequency _ research in UFOs and psychic phenomena, technically not in violation." of this radar picking up UFOs?" unless you have a responsibility and And I said, "I can imagine that you are I think then he would have answered the knowledge of what your own country was upset ¢ scientist and I imagine the question. He assumed that I was smart and doing with it!" military is upset because your diplomats would figure it out. I think he would have I was never able to convince them that I gave it away.” dialogued with me if I had brought that up. | was not among the anointed, and that kept And he agreed with that. LMH: Are we tracking certain me away from their most senior people So I asked him, "What do you want me _ frequencies that we know are linked to very whom I knew and identified. But they to do?" specific kinds of extraterrestrial aerial craft? simply would not let me get to them. And he said, "I want you to tell Senator Pell how unfair and how unnecessary and wrong this is." I did that when I got back to Washington. I told my boss and he said, "Let's go to the [Senate Foreign Relations] committee." So, I told the Soviet experts on the committee about this and they just shrugged and said they didn't know what he was so mad about. It was some time later...actually, I was reviewing my notes. I tried to take notes while I was there because so much was going on and I thought it would be poor form to have a tape recorder. So I would take notes and scribble as I did. So I was reviewing the notes, and while I had hired a good technical translator—I was confident that he was as good as he was advertised to me—{I wondered if] I had missed what he had said or the translator had missed something. And I think the message from the hero scientist of the Soviet Union...you put it together. He knew where I was and he knew what we had been talking about for two days. LMH: UFOs... CBSJ: That's right. So I don't think he came principally to talk about a phased- array radar in any other context than UFOs. And I think what the translation should (Taet pos't $88" ATE 4 MAGE AS LAST YEAR'S. = Si a oe NEXUS +65 AUGUST - SEPTEMBER 2004 www.nexusmagazine.com