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This ties to my feelings about time of transmission. I suspect DJ: The whole notion of cellular or at least bodily memory is that it takes no time for the signal to travel. There is no way, familiar to any athlete. When you practise, you are trying to build using Earth distances, that we could test this because if the signal up memories in your muscles. were electromagnetic it would travel at the speed of light; biologi- CB: The brain might not even be part of that loop. cal delays would consume more than the fraction of a second it DJ: I was a high-jumper in college, and I knew that if I were would take for the signal to travel. The only way to test this conscious I would miss the jump. I had to get my mind out of the would be in outer space. way. The same is true in basketball. If the game is on the line, I get support in this belief—that the signal is neither time nor __ the last thing you want to do is think about it. You want your distance dependent—from some quantum physicists. There is muscles to do what they do. something called the Bell theorem, which states that when an CB: When I got out of the navy, around 1945, I started what atom at a remote location changes its spin, an atom here will was at the time the largest weightlifting gymnasium here on the change instantly as well. West Coast. We all understood that a part of our work was to All this, of course, places us firmly in the territory of the meta- focus on the muscle cells, asking them to get bigger—cellular physical, the spiritual. Think about prayer or meditation. If you communication with those muscles, asking them what they want, were to pray to God, and God was hanging out on the far side of —_ and telling them what you want. the galaxy and your prayer travelled at the speed of light, your DJ: I'm also thinking about articles I've read on the bones would long since be dust before God physiological after-effects of emotional responded. But if God, however you define trauma—child abuse, rape, war. A lot of God, is everywhere, the prayer doesn't have research shows that trauma imprints itself on to travel. different parts of your body. A rape victim DJ: I'm sorry if Iam being dense. Let's might later feel a burning in her vagina; get real concrete. You have the image of someone who was abused late at night might burning the plant... " think Western science have trouble falling asleep—for purely CB: The image, yes. Not words. hysiological reasons. DJ: And distance doesn't matter. So what overexaggerates , CB: ifl bump myself, I explain to the precisely happens in that instant? How does the role of the brain body tissue in that very area what happened. the plant react? . . I don't know how effective that philosophy is, CB: I don't claim to know. In fact, I have In consciousness. but it can't hurt. p py attributed a lot of my success in being still DJ: Let's push this notion of conscious- active in this field—in having not been neu- " . ness further. Have you done some work also tralised—to the fact that I make no claim Consciousness could with what would normally be called to that very thing. In other words, if I i i inanimate materials? give a faulty explanation, it doesn't mat- exist te entirely CB: I've shredded some things and ter how much data I have or how many different level— suspended them in agar-agar. I get elec- quality observations I've made; the on the etheric level tric signals, but not necessarily relating mainstream scientific community will " U to anything going on in the environ- use the incorrect explanation to throw for example. ment. It's too crude an electroding pat- out my data and observations. So I've tern for me to decipher. But I do sus- always said that I don't know how this pect that consciousness goes much, happens. I'm an experimentalist. I'm much further. not a theorist. Also, in 1987 I participated in a University of Missouri program which CONSCIOUSNESS REDEFINED included a talk by Dr Sidney Fox, then DJ: I'm still confused. What is con- connected with the Institute for sciousness, then? The capacity for Molecular and Cellular Evolution at the plants to perceive intent suggests to me a radical redefinition of | University of Miami. Dr Fox had recorded electric signals from consciousness. protein-like material that showed properties strikingly similar to CB: You mean it would harm the notion of consciousness as modern, living cells. The simplicity of the material being something humans have a corner on? observed and the self-organising capability being displayed sug- DJ: Or other of the so-called higher animals. Because plants gests to me a biocommunication capability present at the very ear- don't have brains, they cannot, according to Western thought, liest states in the evolution of life on this planet. If true, who or have consciousness. what would be communicating with this material? CB: I have a whole book upstairs on the consciousness of the Of course, the Gaia hypothesis—the idea that the Earth is a atom. I think Western science overexaggerates the role of the great big working organism with a lot of corrections built in—fits brain in consciousness. Consciousness could exist on an entirely in nicely with this. The planet is going to get the last word con- different level—on the etheric level, for example. Some very cerning the damage humans are inflicting upon it. It's only going good research has been done on remote viewing; that is, describ- to take so much of the abuse going on, and then it may well burp ing conditions at a distant location. More good research has been and snort a little, and a good bit of the population may not be done on survival after bodily death. All of it points toward the around any more. I strongly suspect that nature has a way of han- notion that consciousness need not specifically be correlated with dling abuse. I don't think it would be a stretch to attribute its grey matter. That is another straitjacket we need to rid ourselves defence strategy to a kind of planetary intelligence. The planet of. The brain may have some things to do with memory, but a will handle it, perhaps a bit more severely than we would like. It strong case can be made that much memory is not stored there. would be nicer if we took care of the problems, but... overexaggerates the role of the brain for example." 46 = NEXUS in consciousness. "Consciousness could exist on an entirely different level—_ on the etheric level, www.nexusmagazine.com AUGUST — SEPTEMBER 2004