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That was before NASA realised that they had to keep the data away that the chain reactions would build up the bigger atoms and cause from people like me who would interpret it differently than what the heat. He made the initial calculations that the heat of the Sun, they would like to see. and those kinds of things, would actually match reality. The data was saying something totally different. Very bizarre I sat and I talked to him about this. I talked to him about the fact electromagnetic things were being observed: spokes in Saturn's that the solar system had to be electrically active and that comets rings, tremendous electrical discharges, current rings of millions of were not dirty snowballs. And he looked at me and he knew, and amperes floating around the planet. Things just didn't make sense. Einstein knew, that...one of the last things Einstein did was very There was a proton wind. The thing that caught my attention the actively pursue Velikovsky's work, because he knew that General most was that there was a proton wind coming off of both Jupiter Relativity was missing something very big, and that was the electro- and Saturn, and that's a satellite property that we only see from the magnetic field. You could not have gravity affecting light without Sun. It's interesting that they only saw protons; they didn't see an also having the electromagnetic field around stars affecting light as electron wind that would neutralise that. well. He knew that those factors were missing from General So, clearly, outer space was not what they were expecting. They Relativity, and that's what he was working on when he died. Hans were expecting Jupiter to be an ice-cold frozen ball of hydrogen, Bethe told me that's what Einstein was working on; he was trying to very sterile—which it is not. It is tremendously dynamic; has a figure out that problem. huge magnetic field. Literally, as they went out in front to Venus, Tasked him: "I'm having trouble publishing. They're taking as they went out to all of the other planets, they found them very away my ability to publish. Do you have any suggestions for this?" different than what they thought they would be. And he said: "Try the German publications." At any rate, I happened to be at Cornell at And I did. My work eventually began to be this time, and by then I had already completed published in The Netherlands. much of my theoretical work on inclusion of Martin: That's interesting. So, you had to electromagnetic fields and celestial mechanics. go offshore. I understood how these worked. When I saw McCanney: Yes, and there were two jour- this data coming in, I recognised it—and that, nals that were published in The Netherlands: of course, is something that none of these q Astrophysics & Space Science and another one Chapman physics guys had any clue about. l talked to him called The Moon & The Planets. This contact They were still trying to imagine that these about the fact that was due to what Hans Bethe told me. were gravitational effects that they were seeing. Martin: Sounds like he gave you good At that time I also studied comets as part of the solar system advice. what I was doing. I realised that comets could had to be electrically McCanney: Yes. But when this stuff not possibly be these dirty snowball things. There was a lot of data indicating that comets were interacting electrically with the Sun, and they were noticed to have electrical discharges around them. At the time, I didn't know what caused the elec- tric fields, but I knew they had to be caused by the Sun. I knew that the comets were interacting and that the nuclei of the comets were becoming nega- tively charged. Then, it finally dawned on me at that time, 1979-80, that this had to be pro- duced by a differential flow in the solar the Donald Duncan Chair of Astronomy, winds. In other words, there were more a very exclusive seat of astronomy at protons in the solar winds than electrons. That gave me a whole Cornell. He was the one who, basically, did in Velikovsky. That's new model for fusion. That's when I realised that the fusion had to | why Sagan was famous. Not many people understand that he led be up in the solar atmosphere and not down in the core. That's the charge against Velikovsky, who was selling millions of books all when I realised that the corona of electrons around the Sun was real- —_ over the world. Sagan led the charge that Velikovsky was a geolo- ly a super-atom space, and that the Sun itself was positively charged _ gist and planetary scientist and astronomer, and on and on, to prove, down below that, and up above that the corona of electrons was so to speak, that Velikovsky's thesis could not possibly be true. actually making the Sun look negatively charged to the outside. And that's why Sagan eventually got the Cosmos series, because he This whole complex phenomenon of how the solar winds would was the spokesperson for the astronomy community that buried open up holes in the corona and come blasting out was caused by Velikovsky. Not more than two years later, I show up at Cornell, electrostatic acceleration of the protons as they moved out through using their own data to prove Velikovsky correct. the corona. And that's exactly what we're viewing. And this whole time, even up until today, NASA insists that the energy from the Sun = EFFECTS OF A "PLANET X" FLYPAST started hitting the streets, the people at Cornell freaked out. Martin: Why is that? McCanney: Because I was using Cornell's name, and I was using non- Chapman physics with Cornell's name on it. This was not what they wanted to see. And, of course, when they got a hold of all of my papers and ran them through the Space Science Department there, they realised that what I was doing was corrob- orating Velikovsky's story. Carl Sagan was Professor Emeritus of active and that comets were not dirty snowballs. is coming from the core. Totally incorrect. Martin: Let's talk about "Planet X" some more. I know you When I was at Cornell, I met Hans Bethe, Nobel Prize-winning don't like to talk about time frames, but do you have any sense of it physicist who created the model for the Sun that we now use. And, at all? Are we a year out? A hundred years out? of course, he was a friend of Albert Einstein, and they both won McCanney: That I don't know, and that's what I want to find out Nobel Prizes. Hans Bethe won the prize for the chemistry and the —_ with the Harrington Expedition. understanding of the nuclear fusion model that we now use today, Martin: So, you don't have a sense of that, at this point? the solar system had to be electrically —-4! EFFECTS OF A "PLANET X" FLYPAST Martin: Let's talk about "Planet X" some more. I know you don't like to talk about time frames, but do you have any sense of it at all? Are we a year out? A hundred years out? McCanney: That I don't know, and that's what I want to find out with the Harrington Expedition. Martin: So, you don't have a sense of that, at this point? 52 * NEXUS | talked to him about the fact that active and that comets were not dirty snowballs. www.nexusmagazine.com OCTOBER —- NOVEMBER 2003