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Earth. Edward Teller was held in far higher esteem than the Moon. There are hundreds of craters. To give you an example, President or anybody else. one device that was set off right after I got out there in 1966, actu- Might be interesting to note—and this is not classified—during ally came out of the ground, on purpose—6.9 million cubic yards the time I was out there, the Soviet Union had an exchange pro- of dirt came out of the ground and created a crater in less than two gram with us. It was not unusual to see Soviet scientists out at the seconds! That's a crater a quarter of a mile across and 500 feet test site on a regular basis. We shared a lot of information with deep. them. I came to the conclusion, having talked to a lot of them Question: [Unintelligible] over the years, that they were really not our enemies anywhere Answer: Yes, that's Hattiesburg, Mississippi. At one point we near to what the politicians wanted you to believe they were. We had a project out there called Operation Plow Share. Operation showed them...I showed them things that I couldn't believe we Plow Share was designed to create weapons that were capable of were showing people from the Soviet Union. And I asked about digging another canal across the isthmus of Panama. So we dug a that and was told that we had an exchange program and they were canal out at the test site. It's about a mile long, a hundred yards able to see things and become aware of things that I certainly wide and it's probably 400 feet deep. We used five nuclear wouldn't have shown them. weapons buried at shallow depths to create this ditch. "Instant Question: Did they see certain things that you couldn't see? ditch"—that's what we used to call it. It was Operation Buggy. Answer: No, they couldn't go to Area 51. And not surprisingly, the people of Panama took exception to us Question: Why were we told they were so bad? wanting to do that, so we never did it. But we tested it. Answer: It's always helpful to a nation to have an enemy. That was very popular in the '60s: we thought we could use Question: Between Teller and Oppenheimer, what's your opin- nuclear weapons to do industrial things. But we never could get ion about Oppenheimer? them clean enough; we got them pretty clean, but not clean Answer: Oppenheimer was railroaded; he was ruined because enough. The clean weapon is a neutron bomb. of the paranoia that was going on during that time. Robert The neutron bomb could be set off up here, 3,000 to 4,000 feet Oppenheimer to me was a hero in the scientific community, and up: we'd all die, but the grass is okay, the trees are okay, the cars the man's life was ruined because of paranoia. are okay; but we are water-bearing creatures and we would absorb Question: Teller was kind of a so many neutrons that we'd be dead, political puppet? instantly. The neutron bomb is in Answer: Edward Teller was the ' place. Most of our intercontinental kind of man that would have been We ve come very close, a couple ballistic missiles have neutron loyal to Adolf Hitler or to whoever H ; ali bombs. was the boss, so to speak. I didn't of times, to having a military While I was at the test site, Jimmy like the man; I still don't like the takeover in this country. Carter promised us that...now I hap- man. He's arrogant; he was totally The last one was when pen to be a registered Democrat, so unsympathetic to radiation health and I'm not beating up on a Democrat safety; he was totally unsympathetic Clinton got elected: we almost here...Jimmy Carter promised during had a military takeover. to people's lives, and he still is. Question: I was noticing your medical ID bracelet. Is that related to the campaign of '76 that if elected President he would never, ever test the neutron bomb or deploy it. What your work? the American people didn't know was Answer: I have MS; I also have that we'd already tested it. And right degeneration of the retina. It's probably...the exposure I got, the after he became President, in the next four years, we deployed it radio-isotopes I have in me—it's very probable that my medical all over the world. conditions are because of what I did. But I want to add, I knew There's no reason to lie to people about that, because the neu- what I was doing, I was paid very well for it and I have no regrets. tron bomb—if you have to have a bomb—is a clean bomb. It doesn't contaminate, hardly at all. It's a very efficient killing WEAPONS CAPABILITIES AND NATIONAL SECURITY machine, yet the federal government chose to lie about it. I don't Question: This is a stupid question, but when they exploded know why. that five-and-a-half-million-ton bomb underground, didn't that Question: Can you tell us how the chain of command goes? I make a tremendous noise? mean, if it's not the President, who...? Answer: That was called Box Car; the name of that device was Answer: National Security Council, indirectly. The National called Box Car. I don't know how they name those things; they Security Council includes both the civilian and the military. The all have these strange names. I was on that test. I was assigned to National Security Council includes the Joint Chiefs of Staff. it. When Box Car was detonated, it was 5,500 feet under the sur- We've come very close, folks, a couple of times, to having a mili- face—five-and-a-half-million tons of TNT equivalent, a device tary takeover in this country—and I'm not one of those people the size of...that log right there; maybe a little shorter. Ground who goes around saying these things, but that's just a fact. The zero lifted 400 feet for a half a mile radius, straight up in the air. last one was when Clinton got elected: we almost had a military And then came back down. takeover. The test site was "locked down"; that's a term they use. What happened then, underground, would be that a cavern, Before we had a test, they'd lock the site down. You couldn't go small or large, is created at the point where the weapon was deto- anywhere for like two to three days. And if you were on the test, nated, of various sizes depending on the size of the weapon. And _ you were locked within a lock-down area. then the ground starts to slough in, all the way to the top—some- After Clinton was elected President that November, the test site times. Box Car didn't because it was too deep, but you have a was locked down and stayed locked down for three or four weeks. crater on top. If you were to fly over the Nevada Test Site, it There was no testing going on. There was some concern about looks just exactly like the Moon. Precisely like the surface of the the transference of power during that time from the election to Clinton got elected: we almost had a military takeover. WEAPONS CAPABILITIES AND NATIONAL SECURITY Question: This is a stupid question, but when they exploded that five-and-a-half-million-ton bomb underground, didn't that make a tremendous noise? Answer: That was called Box Car; the name of that device was called Box Car. I don't know how they name those things; they all have these strange names. I was on that test. I was assigned to it. When Box Car was detonated, it was 5,500 feet under the sur- face—five-and-a-half-million tons of TNT equivalent, a device the size of...that log right there; maybe a little shorter. Ground zero lifted 400 feet for a half a mile radius, straight up in the air. And then came back down. What happened then, underground, would be that a cavern, small or large, is created at the point where the weapon was deto- nated, of various sizes depending on the size of the weapon. And then the ground starts to slough in, all the way to the top—some- times. Box Car didn't because it was too deep, but you have a crater on top. If you were to fly over the Nevada Test Site, it looks just exactly like the Moon. Precisely like the surface of the 58 = NEXUS APRIL — MAY 2003 The last one was when www.nexusmagazine.com