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out there that violate most of the laws of physics. My degree is in physics, and we, on a routine basis, used to observe...because we worked at night, it was a 24 hours a day, 365 days a year opera- tion out there. And I worked all three shifts: graveyard, swing and days. I worked at night a lot out there. I've seen things that most aircraft or no aircraft that I know of could do, do. So the news reports that you hear are accurate to the extent that someone is testing either weapons or various vehicles that go through the atmosphere that use technology that we're not really in possession of. Now, if that sounds a bit odd, I would say this. The federal government is afraid...in fact, we had a whole divi- sion of public relations people to feed the public information that was cleansed...the federal government is afraid that if the popula- tion of the United States knew some of the things that we have done and have seen and have found, people would panic. And that's all I can say about that. out there that violate most of the laws of physics. My degree is in happen. So I never asked again. I'm familiar with the Roswell physics, and we, on a routine basis, used to observe...because we incident in 1947 in New Mexico. I have every reason to believe worked at night, it was a 24 hours a day, 365 days a year opera- that the federal government found something there. I have every tion out there. And I worked all three shifts: graveyard, swing _ reason to believe the federal government will never tell what they and days. I worked at night a lot out there. I've seen things that found there. We have so much paranoia of humans, anyway, if most aircraft or no aircraft that I know of could do, do. there was any leak that some sort of life-form had visited this So the news reports that you hear are accurate to the extent that —_— planet, the federal government is convinced that people would someone is testing either weapons or various vehicles that go panic and that anarchy might prevail for a while. That's about all through the atmosphere that use technology that we're not really I can say. in possession of. Now, if that sounds a bit odd, I would say this. The government is telling people that they're dismantling Area The federal government is afraid...in fact, we had a whole divi- 51. I always found that curious because there's actually nothing to sion of public relations people to feed the public information that dismantle out there. Everything that's out there has been brought was cleansed...the federal government is afraid that if the popula- there from somewhere else. Right next to Area 51 is the tion of the United States knew some of the things that we have Nellis/Indian Springs AFB bombing and gunnery range, and that's done and have seen and have found, people would panic. And where all the armoured experiments go on. So it's all kind of part that's all I can say about that. of the same area. There were no nuclear weapons tests that were performed in NUCLEAR WEAPONS TESTING IN NEVADA Area 51. That's an area that has been kept pristine, for very good The other thing is that while we were testing nuclear weapons reasons. Mostly, the other different parts of the test site are desig- out there—the last year I was out there, the last full year I was out nated as starting with Area | and ending with Area 26. Every there, in 1976—we had 53 or 54 underground nuclear weapons area out there is numbered. Area 51 somehow got a designation tests. We announced two of them to the public. The reason for of 51. There is no 27 through 50. But somebody decided to do that was strictly political. There was that. It's just like all of our nuclear a groundswell movement to eliminate weapons: they all have names. nuclear weapons testing, and the gov- Every one had a name. That name ernment didn't want people thinkin was a code as to what size it was. peop. g they were hopelessly contaminating The last full year l was The largest...I can say this without part of Nevada for all times, which out there. in 1976—we had fear...the largest underground 3 they have...it's too late now, it poses weapon I ever participated in was a no real threat to us, anyway. So they 53 or 54 underground nuclear five-and-a-half megaton device, didn't announce those things. I use weapons tests We announced uried 5,500 hundred feet below the that as an example of part of what . desert floor, that we set off. That's isn't told to the public. two of them to the public. equivalent of five-and-a-half million There was nuclear weapons testing tons of TNT. And that was the I was involved in, and I should hasten iggest device ever exploded in the to say that most of that was stockpile United States. A larger device than testing. We would take a nuclear that exploded underneath Amchitka device out of stockpile and test it, see if it worked. It's as simple Island in Alaska some years later. There was a nuclear device set as that. Nuclear weapons tend to deteriorate when they sit around off in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. I don't know how many of you for periods of time; "degrade" is the term. We haven't tested at —_ people knew that; that was done in the ‘60s. the test site now since 1992. Probably never will again. There's a We've had a number of accidents out at the test site that the massive clean-up effort out there, that will take a long time. public never knew about. I'm not really at liberty to talk about As far as Area 51 goes, I have a lot of friends that work at the that, except it may be interesting for you to know that I now live test site, still. Area 51 is the most secured area in the United in South Dakota; I don't live in Nevada anymore. And I will States. Area 51 happens to sit in a place where, as I said, security never live in Nevada. I personally have two body-burdens of plu- has to be absolutely tight because it's nothing but desert, govern- tonium-39 in me, and if I live long enough and become old ment public lands; it's secured public land. A lot of what goes on enough I will die of bone cancer. But I'm not worried about that, in Area 51 goes on at night so the Russian satellites can't see cause I knew what the risk was when I got into the business. A what's going on. That's why people from time to time see things. lot of the friends and people I worked with are dead now. It's a It's a fascinating place. very risky, it's a very highly hazardous job. If any of you have questions of me, I'll either answer them or I Nuclear weapons are something that are, well, there are so won't but I'll tell you up front whether I can tell you about it or — many of them that...the hazard that a nuclear weaponry poses isn't not. I saw some things in Area 51...objects that were strange, lasting people off the face of the Earth. We could have a war didn't seem to be something that, at the time, we had the with Russia and they could have one with us and China and capability of manufacturing. I don't know where they came from, everybody could get involved in it—it still wouldn't wipe out the I don't know much about them. But I saw what I saw with my uman race. The problem comes after the bomb goes off because eyes. I did ask, on two separate occasions, one of caretakers— of what's called "fission products". And that's the contamination that's what we called them—and I was told the first time, "Don't that ensues. ask". Now, remember, I had to have a Top Secret clearance, I had It's getting to be a real big problem because of the reactors. The a "need to know". Our group, 80 of us, could go anywhere. We fire reactors create fission products and debris that we're having a could ask any questions because of what we did. But that was one ard time figuring out what to do with. Probably most of that subject that I was told, "Don't ask". The second time I asked, I debris and waste will end up at the Nevada test site and that will was warned that if I asked again, some rather dire things might be an area that, for thousands and hundreds of thousands of years, The last full year | was out there, in 1976—we had 53 or 54 underground nuclear weapons tests. We announced two of them to the public. 56 + NEXUS APRIL — MAY 2003 www.nexusmagazine.com