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tify a body they told me was George. Now, I'd seen the man on for awhile. It's frustrating. I find myself angry because I don't the base a few days before. The body they showed me was far, know what the heck they [MJ-12/CIA] did to us. far decomposed for even the jungle, where you have rapid decom- I did find out that a few weeks after we had our incident, there position." were at least two more. In one, some GIs were pinned down and BOSTROM: But you couldn't positively identify the body? two of those little [alien] fellows stepped out of the woods. One JOE: I couldn't identify it as George. The flesh was all lique- of the aliens threw a small object out between them and the Pathet fied. Lao that had the GIs pinned down. The men described it as a BOSTROM: So it may have been someone else? ‘darkness’ grenade instead of a smoke grenade. It put up enough JOE: The only thing I can say is his tissue seemed to suffer of a partition of darkness that they were able to escape. These from some kind of extreme disruption, like every cell wall had guys came back, and others immediately came down, saying, een broken—like you see with a cold sore. I think whatever "What the hell did they do to you guys when you saw that thing?" appened to him, they transferred him so they could show me the And they said they went through the same debriefing procedure ody and say, "That's George". we had to go through. BOSTROM: Then why would they show you a body you BOSTROM: What did the guys who saw the smoke bomb say couldn't identify? about the craft? JOE: I don't know. The people we were dealing with [MJ-12] JOE: They didn't see a craft. All they saw was the [alien] fel- were very, very careful about covering all avenues. They never lows that we had seen—some of the smaller ones." eft a thread hanging. As far as I knew, he was dead. I was called BOSTROM: They just appeared there? in to identify the body and sign the papers. The only way I could JOE: The men heard a noise out in the jungle and these two identify was with his dog tags. The usual thing was that during aliens peeked out, looked at the men who could see them clearly. combat, because of the nature of our The aliens turned to each other and, unit, dog tags were retrieved by a whatever discussion they had, one of ranking officer and returned to you them reached up and threw a small when you returned to base. We car- object; and the guys there said it ried what was called 'T8407 -?-T101', "I did find out that a few weeks couldn't have been any smaller than which was a get-out-of-jail-free card. after we had our incident, there a tennis ball, and it went off with a It was a cardboard card with two sides loud pop—not an explosion, but a and department logo on one side to were at least two more. In one, pop. It's just like a dark gas. It came say the individual was allowed to be | s9me Gls were pinned down and up like smoke does, but it was dark- carrying strange and unusual ness, and they looked at each other weapons, may or may not be in uni- two of those little [alien] fellows and said, "What the hell is this?!" form, and was not to be detained for stepped out of the woods." And one of them said, "I don't care. any reason whatsoever. If this card is Let's get out of here!’ So they high- found on a body, it is to be burned tailed it out. It took the Pathet Lao with the body and reported to a tele- back far enough that they couldn't hone number and group, stateside. pursue the Gls. They've never seen BOSTROM: Is this all you can remember? anything like that, and neither have we. JOE: Well, that's the problem. If we really sit down and try to BOSTROM: Did they take their clothes to check for residue? ressure us through it, I get confused. I talked to a couple of fel- JOE: They'd done that several times. They took our fatigues. lows that were involved in it, and they have the same kind of I know that up to that point in time, I've always been fascinated problem. Slowly but surely, things emerged; and over the years, with the idea of other life in the universe, but never saw enough more and more has come up. It was years before I ever had a that really made me believe that there was any such thing. But desire at all to talk about it—not because it was frightening, or whoever or whatever those alien fellows were, I'm convinced that cause the Firm told us not to because they were going to place _ they're not present populace of this Earth. oo it under the national security end, but because I had absolutely no . _— desire whatsoever to talk about it. Note: This text was extracted, with permission, from Glimpses of Other Realities—Volume Il: High Strangeness, by Linda Moulton Howe, published by Paper Chase Press, USA, 1998 (ISBN 1- 879706-78-4) (see review in NEXUS 5/05). BOSTROM: Do you remember any other details such as how the humanoids entered the craft? JOE: It was like a section slid down; like it just created itself on the side and slid down. About the Author: BOSTROM: Do you remember a ramp? _. Linda Moulton Howe is a graduate of Stanford University, USA, JOE: It slid down and tilted to the ground and had a stair on it and has a Masters Degree in Communication. She is a science that formed a ramp for them to walk right up, with steps on it. and environmental reporter for radio and television. Her film doc- BOSTROM: Did it look like they were walking on steps? umentaries, A Strange Harvest and Strange Harvests 1993, JOE: It had steps on it because they were stepping, and it explored the worldwide animal mutilations phenomenon. Her wasn't like they shuffled up the ramp. Their gait was very books include An Alien Harvest, Glimpses of Other smooth, almost unerring, and they covered a lot of ground in a lit- Realities Mole Meats & Fvewiinessess anc. most Paper tle bit of time. But the main problem is like I said: if we sit down UMPSES C) eee e en Une ogy out OUrangeness \r a and try to really go through the details and think hard about it, I Chase Press, USA, phone (702) 826 5947. Ms Howe's investiga- dup almost with anxiety attack. ions have taken in such diverse subjects as crop circles, the chu - ene up i y . . pacabras mystery, humanity's hidden history, and the evidence for _ Whatever it was that they [MJ-12/CIA] did to bury those things Fs and ETs, including research into the alleged Roswell UFO is pretty permanent. Over the years, I still occasionally have rash fragments and government knowledge and cover-up of non- nightmares about it. I wake up in a cold sweat and I'd remember man intelligences interacting with our planet. Note: This text was extracted, with permission, from Glimpses of Other Realities—Volume Il: High Strangeness, by Linda Moulton Howe, published by Paper Chase Press, USA, 1998 (ISBN 1- 879706-78-4) (see review in NEXUS 5/05). About the Author: Linda Moulton Howe is a graduate of Stanford University, USA, and has a Masters Degree in Communication. She is a science and environmental reporter for radio and television. Her film doc- umentaries, A Strange Harvest and Strange Harvests 1993, explored the worldwide animal mutilations phenomenon. Her books include An Alien Harvest, Glimpses of Other Realities-Volume I: Facts & Eyewitnesses, and, most recently, Glimpses of Other Realities-Volume II: High Strangeness (Paper Chase Press, USA, phone (702) 826 5947. Ms Howe's investiga- ions have taken in such diverse subjects as crop circles, the chu - pacabras mystery, humanity's hidden history, and the evidence for UFOs and ETs, including research into the alleged Roswell UFO crash fragments and government knowledge and cover-up of non- iuman intelligences interacting with our planet. NEXUS - 67 "I did find out that a few weeks DECEMBER 1998 - JANUARY 1999