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on the ground, and was otherwise nearly silent in its ascent. Legs appeared to be one contiguous piece with the body, but withdrew into the orb during take-off. The encounter and the description of the object were reported directly to civilians who identified themselves as representatives of ‘MAJIC’. on the ground, and was otherwise nearly silent in its ascent. Thank you very much. Discuss this with no one and have a nice Legs appeared to be one contiguous piece with the body, but day." withdrew into the orb during take-off. The encounter and the Miller was very single-sided with information. We gave him description of the object were reported directly to civilians everything. He told us absolutely nothing. He was a cold-blood- who identified themselves as representatives of 'MAJIC'.] ed man. I don't think I ever saw the man sweat. Most of the time he wore a black suit or a dark grey flannel suit. When you're in JOE: We returned to base. The Thais, of course, weren't going Thailand and it's at that point in the year when it's somewhere to say anything to anybody. They ‘saw nothing, heard nothing’, between 97 and 100 degrees [Fahrenheit], 100 to 110 per cent rel- just along for the ride. Which was typical reaction for the Thais. ative humidity, it's so hot you get heat that's like fog. I don't think They didn't want to get involved. But they were quite shaken by I ever saw him sweat except for this incident. But he had a cold it, as we were. It took us approximately three days to get back to sweat going into this. He ended up taking his jacket off—and you the border. never saw him outside of a jacket. BOSTROM: What did everybody talk about on the way back? Miller and these other guys sat us down and grilled us that day JOE: Absolutely nothing. We decided on the way back that —_at least three-and-a-half to four hours. And I was trying to find nobody saw anything. We didn't hear anything. We didn't know out who it was that told them because when we got back, nobody anything about it. We got back to the base said anything. So something or somebody and the first thing we did was head for a hot snitched. shower, because you had to pull all the lice BOSTROM: Someone would have had off you and everything else and you felt pret- to 101 in immediately and tell them? ty darn dirty. JOE: We hadn't been back more than an BOSTROM: The guy who got knocked "Now, | do not know hour. We usually took a shower, got down—George. Was he all right? whether we saw cleaned up and got a little rest before we JOE: He was alright at that point. He f were debriefed because that could some- was a corporal and went to the officers’ bar- something else, or they times take many hours. It was very interest- racks. A fellow from the provost marshal's A ing. They even sequestered us in our quar- office came in and informed me that I had to gave usa different ters. We were told not to have any outside report to the captain's office immediately. I memory... activities at all, and meals would be brought said, "Do I have time to rinse off?’ He said, to us. We were not to talk to any unautho- "Just barely." He said, "Put on some clothes rised personnel. 'Authorised' meant them, or and get over there. They want to talk to you | do know that every someone directly with authorisation from the right now." I asked him what it was about. . provost marshal's office. He said, "I don't know. They won't tell one of us still has Then we spent the next three to me. Just get your tail over there. It's something very heavy." He said they were quite confused about something. I walked into the captain's office. We were met by the captain, a couple of majors, a colonel and some civilians. If you've ever worked with anybody with 'the Firm’, they reek of it. You generally expect them in grey flannel suits and white socks, but these fellows just reeked of the Firm. BOSTROM: What is 'the Firm'? JOE: When you hear people involved in security, they never call a certain agency of the government ‘the Company’ [Central three-and-a-half weeks talking to vari- ous people—some of them, I don't know who in the heck they were. Several were psychologists—it was very obvious by the kind of questions we were being asked, and they started dragging out the ink blots. We went on with this for two weeks, and then they started using narco-hypnosis. BOSTROM: How did that operate? JOE: Essentially, they sit you in a chair, hook up the sphygmomanome- ter, the blood pressure tape, and get you highly relaxed, using soothing music sometimes, and they give you an injection of basically what occasional nightmares about it and we get flashes of things that are just an incredible bloodbath." Intelligence Agency, CIA]. Insiders like to call it 'the Firm’. is called a ‘hypnotic drug’. There were drugs like Seconal, Again, what we were with was literally a front for the CIA's mili- Scopolamine—the type that have a tendency to reduce what they tary part which it's not supposed to have. Well, it had one. call ‘psychic resistance’. You get your body as relaxed as possible Recently there have been little leaks about that. Miller [real name and you lose your will. They actually hypnotise you at that point. withheld] rode with MJ—you know, Majestic 12. It's a combination of drugs and hypnosis. The only thing I can say BOSTROM: MIJ-12? that occurred during that time was that in one way or another, they JOE: Right. The only way we ever heard Miller call it was altered our memories. [Howe's emphasis.] 'MJ-12' or 'MJ'. We knew he worked for that. We didn't know Now, I do not know whether we saw something else, or they what the heck it was. The only thing we knew was that any gave us a different memory and that's what we ended up with, or enemy aircraft that was sighted had to be reported to him. Any what we saw was much worse than what we thought had occurred photographs we took had to be given to him. He was overly con- and I toned it down. I do know that every one of us still has occa- cerned about enemy aircraft, unusual sightings, anything out of sional nightmares about it and we get flashes of things that are the ordinary. just an incredible bloodbath. He'd call us in occasionally to look at photographs and say, George was reassigned from our unit after we had all cleared "What is this?" And we'd say, "That's a Russian gunship, it has so through medical and psychological. I was called into the captain's much armament." He'd say, "Okay, that's what I want to know. office approximately six or eight weeks after the incident to iden- "Now, | do not know whether we saw something else, or they gave us a different memory... occasional nightmares about it and we get flashes of things that are just an incredible bloodbath." 66 = NEXUS | do know that every one of us still has _ DECEMBER 1998 - JANUARY 1999