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things, and office personnel. the whole saucer itself was like the drive of the ship. It was all Howe: And did you understand what the reason was that your —_—_ coated with nickel inside and it was like a giant circuit, an elec- boss was having you go to have this tour by this colonel? tronic circuit. And it took the aliens to complete the circuit Kewper: Yes. They wanted us to see the craft so when we because they were tied right in with it: they had headbands they looked at pictures, trying to identify fake pictures from the real wore that had detectors on, and they had finger-type board control thing, this would be a help to us. That was the main reason why where they could fly the craft. we were toured through the area to see the different types of craft, Howe: Those are the hand-imprinted, six-fingered control pan- so we could pick out the [hoaxed] "garbage can covers" from the els that were with that autopsy film? real craft. Kewper: Yes. Howe: So the six of you, with the colonel, your CIA boss, Howe: And did you see the panels themselves actually there yourself and these three other CIA men involved in this project, with the craft? you're going, literally moving, walking into a carved-out area of a Kewper: Yes. They were there with the craft. They were try- mountain? ing to figure out the electronic circuitry because there was no Kewper: Yes. wiring of any kind that they could see. But later on when they Howe: Can you describe exactly what you saw? had it at Groom Lake, they had a couple of scientists there who Kewper: As soon as we got in, the first thing we did see were used microscopes to check over the fingertip-control harnessing two small craft. and found little fibres going out from it. They found out then that Howe: What colour were they? it was a fibre optic type of electrical transmission throughout the Kewper: They were silver, kind of a silver finish to them; not craft. real shiny and bright, but basically silver. Howe: All done with light. Howe: What was the diameter? Kewper: Yes, it was light. The report I read originally said Kewper: About 18 or 20 feet. They were quite small. that when they looked inside the craft it was glowing with a real Howe: Were you allowed to go thin light inside from all the circuitry over and touch them? fibre optics. Reverse-engineering of Kewper: No. We were ona that is apparently where we got fibre walkway area and couldn't get down optics from. over to where the craft were actually . Howe: What was the colonel say- sitting. He just stated that these are ing to you about these discs in rela- Howe: And how many others . tionship to where you were goin, could you see? y some of the [alien] craft we het? y going Kewper: At least about seven, I have picked up and captured Kewper: He just stated that these think. There were some larger ones that were in the rear towards the end that we could see down there because they were probably 50 to 60 feet in diameter. Howe: Could you see any charac- teristics on these? Were any differ- are some of the craft we have picked up and captured in different parts of the world. Apparently some of them were even brought in from overseas from some point or other, but I gath- ered that most were captured within the US. He then mentioned that we in different parts of the world. ent from another? were going back out to the general office area and another smaller Kewper: They were all disc-shaped, but some had larger bot- hangar area to see the being, this extraterrestrial being, that they tom areas that extended down the same as the top, the top extend- had there at that time. ing up. And they were in different colours. The larger ones in the Howe: Try to walk us through what happened next. rear were a real deep, real dark grey colour, and some of the other Kewper: Okay. We went from the hangar area where the ones were lighter in colour, but maybe like a light- or medium- saucers were, out to a covered walkway area and into an office brown type of thing. The larger ones in the rear had real large top complex, I would call it, because it was a bunch of small rooms units and large bottom units to them and were sitting on metal and offices. They had a special room for viewing that had one- saw-horses to hold them up off the ground. way windows in it—one-way mirrors, rather. We could look Howe: And did the colonel try to explain, or did he have through the window into this small office, and the being that was knowledge or any understanding of the propulsion system of the in there was not able to see us through the mirror because there extraterrestrial craft? was a mirror on his side. Kewper: That question was asked, and he mentioned it was Howe: And what happened? electromagnetic/antigravitational-type engines. But some of the Kewper: They said we could go in and talk to this being, and craft had other propulsion systems also, but he didn't go into great at that time I chose not to go in. Years later, I wished I had, but I detail on other propulsions. Apparently it was like antimatter chose not to go in because they did tell us that the being spoke propulsion on one of the units, something of that nature. telepathically. The colonel had more terms added to it other than And I saw they'd tried to reverse-engineer one craft, so part of it telepathically, but the being wouldn't speak in any manner that we was taken apart. They were trying to figure out how it works, and could hear through our ears. So I chose to stay out, and the other he was explaining to us that there really was no physical motor in four people did go in. that thing. The entire disc was like an electronic circuit, and the Howe: Your boss, the three other CIA guys and the Colonel aliens had to be inside of this disc to complete the electronic cir- Jim? cuit to make it fly. The Area 51 people knew that, because they Kewper: Yes. had tried to make that one fly. It was just like a battery electrical Howe: Now, can you describe the being exactly, from your unit; it worked with antigravitational/electromagnetic drive, but watching this and listening? some of the [alien] craft we have picked up and captured in different parts of the world. 70 * NEXUS He just stated that these are AUGUST - SEPTEMBER 1998