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aliens and exactly what they look like. So, if you run across any threat; and they were working under that assumption to try to more of these sightings that people have sent in that describe this increase the different radar around the country more so that they particular being, then you can match them up according to this. could detect if they were coming in from outer space and be able Howe: Was the film you saw in black and white or colour? to get some type of scrambling from the Air Force's nearest base Kewper: It was black and white. to check it out or shoot them down or whatever. Howe: And did you ever see any colour film or photographs of Howe: Were you ever given a briefing or exposed to any other these beings? information between 1957 and 1960 beyond that screening of the Kewper: No, not of the beings. The only coloured film I autopsy/dissection film? remembered seeing was of that spaceship materialising. Kewper: I would say no, not during that time. We just had the Howe: Now, you were working for the CIA and this was tan- various foreign, a few domestic, but mostly foreign sightings that gential to Project Blue Book. How were you shown this film? we had gone over. We had people overseas who would go and What were the screening conditions? Were you in Washington? interview these people who had photographs of aliens outside of a Were you in the South? saucer, but nothing at that time. Basically I saw just the film of Kewper: Yeah, they sent this down to [location deleted at the autopsy on that particular being; but, like I mentioned, when I Kewper's request after anonymous phone call referenced in intro- went to Area 51 in 1958 I did see another type of a being where it duction to this interview] and we looked at the film. Then my was the peaked face, the great big eyes and the little chin that has boss had to send it right back the next day by a special courier always been termed a "grey", I believe. they had running between Fort Belvoir and CIA headquarters. Howe: Okay, can you describe that experience? Howe: How many of you were there? Kewper: We were out there for a meeting of all the CIA peo- Kewper: About 20 of us. There were 26 people involved alto- ple around this country and over towards the Far East and so on, gether in our group, and I would say that about 20 of us saw it. and we had the meeting there at Area 51. We were involved with Some were overseas at the time. A lot of the UFO pictures that this Project Blue Book thing and they wanted the meeting there, so we got were not from the United some of us involved directly with it— States; they were European, Central there were only five of us that went American, Mexican, and South from [name of Army base deleted] American sightings of UFOs. One and we were the only five that had was an Italian film. So I believe we i the meeting out there. They had While | was there, the whole 8 y got it down there at the CIA because meetings right in the main buildings the CIA had facilities in all these for- three years, we never saw any of the Air Force, a little base they eign countries to be able to try to veri- information about where they had there. fy some of these things; because we Howe: At Nellis AFB in Nevada. had men in all the different parts of came from and what they Kewper: Yes. But we went out were doing here. to Groom Lake area and the two areas they had out there. They showed it to us, but only to us and not to the CIA people from the Far the world. Howe: So this was your first visual sort of experience with something non-human. Do you remember what you thought at the time? East or from Central America. They Kewper: Yeah, I was kind of per- didn't go out there; it was only the plexed. I thought: How can this be? How can these beings come five of us. We landed at Area 51 at the main landing strip. Then here? How can they be completely different from man? we got into a van-type of small minibus. After that, we didn't stop Howe: But sort of resembled us in a humanoid-shape way. to get into any other buildings there. Kewper: Yes, they did; they did resemble us. That particular They took us down about 10 miles away, something of that alien, the six-fingered alien—you might say it didn't resemble us nature, and stopped at the first special area. And they took us into completely, but it looked like a miniature man with a smaller the area there, and they had U-2s and also the SR-71 Blackbirds— head, but it wasn't the great big narrow face with the big eyes. It I believe they were flying them at that time. We were there a didn't have ears like we have; it had a little circle around a hole short period of time, and then we got back on the bus and went inside of its skull. The ears didn't look like [ours]. The nose about another eight miles to the third and final area where they looked basically like [ours] and the mouth was much smaller. had highly classified material. We stopped there and went into an Howe: Do you remember if this film was shown to you in office area first, and then a colonel there met us and took us on a 1957, 10 years after 1947? Was there any knowledge then among tour. He took us first of all down a walkway into a hangar area the intelligence agencies from any communication with these that had been carved out. It might have been a natural cave to beings about what their origin was? start out with, but at least it was carved out of the mountainside Kewper: Nothing really. While I was there, the whole three —_ area. It was not extremely large. years, we never saw any information about where they came from Howe: Was this the Papoose mountain range? and what they were doing here. Nothing was ever brought out in Kewper: I wouldn't really know. I don't think I ever ques- regards to that. My boss and I were both wondering about that: tioned what the mountains were. Why were they here? Why would they come here? And where Howe: Okay, but so I am clear, this is a colonel who is joining were they from? During that period of time, as far as I know, the you and your CIA boss and three other CIA men in your pro- government had no idea where they were from or what they were gram? trying to do here. Kewper: Yes. Howe: From a military and CIA point of view, were they con- Howe: Were there only six of you? sidered a threat? Kewper: Yes. As we passed through different areas, naturally Kewper: Not really a threat, but there was a questionable there were other workers and scientists working on different three years, we never saw any information about where they a Sen En SS OY NEXUS - 69 While | was there, the whole came from and what they j were doing here. 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