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MC: Well, we wanted to choose things for which we had the = who worked for the US Geological Survey. She and a couple of most solid evidence in terms of documentation and scientific testi- other geologists dated a site at Hueyatlaco, Mexico, in the 1970s, mony. Now, one thing we leamed is that this process of 'knowl- | where some very advanced stone tools were found—stone tools edge filtration’, which we like to call it, is ongoing. It's happening _ that could only have been made by anatomically modem humans. even today. We were very lucky to run into some modern They dated the site by the uranium series method and other meth- researchers who had been victims of this suppression, and they _ ods to about 300,000 years. Now, according to current doctrine, were kind enough to give us some information about how the sys- you don't have human beings coming into North America until tem actually works. 12,000 years ago, although some people are now willing to extend LL: How does the system actually work? it to 25,000 or 30,000, but the standard conservative doctrine is MC: Well, there is money involved. There are positions 12,000 years. These very, very advanced stone tools, at 300,000 involved. There's opportunity for publication involved. And there years in Mexico, are extremely anomalous: there shouldn't have are very small and powerful groups of people that control these been any human beings of that type around until about 100,000 positions. If you want to become a professor at a university, you years ago. As a matter of fact, stone tools of the type that were need recommendations. If you want your articles to be published found there don't show up in Europe until about 40,000 years ago, in scientific journals, they have to pass what is called ‘anonymous _ so the fact that they are in Mexico—where human beings should- peer review’. n't have been at all—and at 300,000 years—which is 250,000 LL: People can comment, but you don't even know who they __ years earlier than any other such stone tools found... are? LL: That creates a problem, doesn't it? MC: Yeah, you don't know who they are, and in one sense you MC: These researchers produced a report, but they couldn't get could say that a dominant group could very easily use that to _ it published. Nobody would publish it. screen out information that it doesn't want to reach the wider com- LL: But what happened to the tools? Where are the tools munity, let alone the public. today? LL: Is there dissent in academia MC: They're stored away in for this kind of set-up that is so easi- some museum. These were found ly abused, or that is so useful to fairly recently, so you can still find maintaining the status quo, not really them. We tried to get permission to expanding the field in terms of its get photographs of those tools to put outlook? in our book, Forbidden Archeology, MC: Yes, there is. From time to but we were told we would be given time I tune in through my computer permission to print those pictures to the Internet... only if we gave the tools a date of LL: So do I. less than 25,000 years; and if we MC: And there are discussion | Raised letterlike shapes found inside a block of marble from a] Were even going to mention that groups that discuss some of the quar Dee Slash a, Renee ie basig a grad they were 300,000 years old, as shortcomings of the current system, (1978), polls pike we ap (1831), vol. 19, p. 361) | these geologists reported, we could and there are people that object to it, not have permission. but it's still pretty much in place. LL: You know, with all of this information, who's to say how LL: What are some of these Internet groups? Are they art to interpret it? Michael, tell me about another couple of finds, and groups? Are they libraries? I mean, what are some of these places _ then I'd like to ask you, isn't all this like a world heritage, and who where you can find some of this information? We have a lot of gets to say what about it? What are some of the restrictions? Internet users among our listener-base. fi What are the various methods of dating? How do we know how MC: Well, the one that I found—I can't remember its exact certain dates are assigned? What are the various methods of name, but it was really odd because it was a discussion about assigning dates? I know a lot of it has to do with the strata in employment opportunities. That was what the discussion group which something is found, but tell me some more of these discov- was technically about—about academic positions and how to _ eries and we'll talk more about the issues surrounding them. apply for them, what jobs were available—but there were all kinds MC: Well, one interesting discovery was the carved shell in the of discussions about the system and how it operated, in that partic- | Red Crag formation in England. Now this is a late Pleistocene ular discussion group. formation, about two million years old, and Henry Stopes, a LL: Right, no sense talking about the positions unless you fig- Fellow of the Geological Society of England, found this shell. It's ure out how they work. got a human face carved in it, and according to modern views you MC: Right. Because for every academic position that opens _ wouldn't expect artwork of this type in Europe until about 40,000 up, there are usually hundreds of applicants. years ago at the earliest, so at two to three million years it's quite LL: Oh, I see, so you're encouraged just by the competition to anomalous, It was discovered in the 19th century. conform. Right. You're going to do everything you can if you're LL: Okay. What's another anomalous find? really serious about that position. MC: Going back to North America and to more recent times MC: You have real powerful people in these fields who control © where we have some really good documentation of how evidence position, publication and research money, and if you want to get can be suppressed, we have a case of a Dr Lee who found, in a along you have to go along. That's basically how the system glacial formation at a place called Sheguiandah on Manitoulin works. I've had personal discussions with people who have been Island in the Great Lakes in Canada, stone tools that are about victims of that system, who have been denied publication, who —_70,000 years old. Now, as I said, the current idea is that you don't have been denied position, who have been denied research money. have human beings in North America until about 12,000 years LL: What kind of heresy were they wanting to report? ago. He was working with the National Museum of Canada at the MC: It was because of their views. One case which we discuss _ time that he made these discoveries. He had a geologist come in in the book is the case of Virginia Steen-McIntyre, a geologist to look at the site and confirm his dating view of it, but he got 14 ¢ NEXUS JUNE - JULY 1995