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"Hypnosis, electrotherapy, programming them by tapes, by _ friendly and unfriendly governments. So, naturally, if they found voice-over earphones, awake or in trance, or asleep. By anumber _ out that I was in on it, even now, they'd come after me. of methods." "In other cases I was involved in knocking off some dictators. "How widespread was this mind control?" I asked. Then we'd change the people's voting ideas when they had to elect "Well, it was—well, that is something I can't really answer. I someone." know of several different groups upon whom it was used. I know I returned to the main thread of our conversation. "Okay now, that it was used in some of the hairier areas of Korea and Vietnam, since we have this mind-control technology, what is to keep the and it was started in World War II, but it has been refined far more —_ guys in the cryptocracy or the military, as you maintain, from pro- since then. How muth of it was used, I don't know. I know of gramming Presidents as soon as they take office, or immediately several groups that I was affiliated with that had it used on them." after they get elected?" "Would you say this kind of thing did not exist before World "I have always wondered about Nixon," he mused. "He was War II? I asked. very pro-military. He gave them just about everything they want- "Oh, it did. But it was not in such a sophisticated form. It's as ed in the world. But he wanted to create a monarchy with himself old as man, but now it is refined to an art. Before, it was torture as king. And, slowly but surely, he tried to take over the military and psychological pressure—that can accomplish a lot. We've and the CIA through subordinate officers who were loyal to him been trained to use it in primitive field situations. But now it's only. done with the idea that the mind can be put under complete con- "All you hear about are left-wing conspiracies to overthrow our trol. Just like they used to use rubber hoses at the police stations. | government. You never hear about right-wing conspiracies. They don't do that anymore. Well, rubber hoses still work, but "Well, some of these right-wing groups are far more dangerous they don’t work as well as some other things which the police now _ than the left wing. The left wing's mostly kids with dreams. The have." right wing is usually retired military. They're hard. They're "Are you saying that the police also use mind control?” I asked. trained. They've got arms. But if the right wing took over right "At the highest levels, yes. The FBI certainly uses it, and they, now, there would be just a military dictatorship, and the military of course, give a lot of help to the local would find that its best plans were not upset police. There are certain areas of the brain at all. I'm saying if a dictatorship took over. which control your inhibitions. When they Hell, we've got one right now, but it ain't contro] those centres, then the subject will go . * overt, it's subtle. on with his assignment regardless. I've seen "Don't kid yourself, This "You mean those twenty men you were men whose mother could be sitting there country is controlled by talking about?" I asked. having coffee, and if they'd been instructed h cen ll th "Yeah... If the people of this country actu- to kill her, they'd walk right in and shoot her, the Pentagon. A the ally knew that, they would say ‘no’ the next and it wouldn't even upset their appetites for major decisions in this | time they were asked to go to Vietnam. We supper. They were conditioned to do it in : no d b h need the people behind us to fight a war, and such a way that they have no guilt. They country are made Yy the | ir they knew the true facts, who's running wou ave git becuse afer hey wer | ml, from my ‘ing. er wot te the lowing wet . ‘ { , “Let me tell you something: the cheapest observations on the keeps the sham of politics and ‘free elections’ commodity in the world is human beings. i j going." Most assassins don't need to be programmed clandestine side of "If that is the case, then the results would to kill. They're loyal to command, They're things. be different?" conditioned, first by the circumstances of "Yes. If people knew they had a dictator- their own early life, then by a little ‘loyalty ship. Have you ever heard of a factory slow- training’. The command is their only justifi- down, a strike? Well, Russia has run up cation for living. It is also their only protection once e they Te into agninal the problem, and so have we in supporting the foreign dic- it... tators we support. The American people, like most people, have "When I came out of the service and went to work for the gov- _ to fcel that they have some right, that they're the 'good guys’. This ernment, I had a colonel assigned to me as a bodyguard. When he _is the reason we have never lost a war and have never won a retired, I hired him," he said, pointing to his bodyguard. “He's still peace. with me, and that's why we have these...” He pointed to the .357 “You've got to maintain the sham of freedom, no matter what. magnum—the most powerful handgun in the world—strapped to _It wouldn't make any difference what party is in charge or whether his side in plain sight. it was the elected government or what you call the cryptocracy “Who're you worried about? The Russians? The Chinese?" running it; from an operational sense, the government would oper- "Well, I'll tell you. You can damned near put a pin in the map _ate as it presently is. From the point of view of people paying anywhere you want. I got into military security beforc the Second taxes and defending their country, well, we found in Latin World War. I was just a kid. Over the years I was assigned to America that people won't fight if they think that they have a dic- thirty-two different countries. So you can draw your own conclu- _tator who is just as bad as the enemy who is attacking. sion.” "That's probably why it would be fairly easy to take over the "But what you've been talking about is a political action, not a’ Soviet Union, short of nuclear war. The Soviets could probably military one. How, then, as a military security man did you get be convinced by psychological warfare that their government is involved in political actions?" certainly a lot more evil than ours. And if we went to war with "Well, suppose there were countries that were doing technologi- them we could eventually win—that is, until the H-bomb started cal research on things which could be injurious to the welfare of to fall, then nobody'd be the winner.” the United States. I'd be one of the guys assigned to destroy those Changing the subject, I asked, “What area of the military were scientists who were involved in the research. That was with you involved in?” peace. “You've got to maintain the sham of freedom, no matter what. It wouldn't make any difference what party is in charge or whether it was the elected government or what you call the cryptocracy running it; from an operational sense, the government would oper- ate as it presently is. From the point of view of people paying taxes and defending their country, well, we found in Latin America that people won't fight if they think that they have a dic- tator who is just as bad as the enemy who is attacking. "That's probably why it would be fairly easy to take over the Soviet Union, short of nuclear war. The Soviets could probably be convinced by psychological warfare that their government is certainly a lot more evil than ours. And if we went to war with them we could eventually win—that is, until the H-bomb started to fall, then nobody'd be the winner." Changing the subject, I asked, “What area of the military were you involved in?” 42 « NEXUS APRIL - MAY 1995