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Continued from page 45 chips were made five years ago (they are L: Yes. So they called themselves changing now), the way they were manu- immunologists, and about the same time theories, he can singlehandedly bankrupt factured in the United States and in Japan there were people studying endocrinology, Corporate America. This was like 1981 or was really striking. They were doing neurology and psychiatry. After the tum of 1982. It tumed into a big, big thing. exactly the same process with exactly the the century, people began studying hay Like I say, it's the chemical companies, same chemicals. In Japan, people were fever, and they were allergists. These were drug companies and all that. And it's really wearing masks and respirators and working all separate disciplines until the 1920s kind of funny because these people are behind hoods and wearing protective cloth- when neurology and psychiatry got togeth- chasing their tail. For example, among the ing. In the United States, people were dip- er because they were the same discipline. people in Dow Chemical Company who ping things in and out and smoking and And in 1967, allergy and immunology got claim that Bill Rea is a "quack", many of _ eating lunch. together for the same reason. them go to him. You know, board chair- G: And they were getting this ‘disease In the late ‘70s and '80s, everybody got men go to him because they're sick. They that hasno name’. I read about that. together. They're all studying biological know it's true, but it's not good for busi- L: Right. The same thing that these response modification, and are all looking ness. We're gonna make it good for busi- Gulf War people got. It does have aname: _at the same system. And this system:really ness. Chemically-Induced Immune Dysregu- isn't an immune system. We were not I mean, basically we don't want to shut _ lation. endowed with it to protect ourselves with the chemical companies down. We want Let me show you what immune dysregu- hazards from the environment: we were people to be less cavalier about the use of lation in my opinion is. This is kinda my endowed with it to control growth and dif- these chemicals. favourite thing. Let me just finish up with ferentiation of virtually every organ from For instance, when we used to use X-ray _ this. We'll start off here. the mesodermal layer of the embryo. And fluoroscopy to see if our shoes fitted, we G: The blind men? I did my doctoral so I, as an immunologist, am looking at used much less X-ray than we do today, but __ thesis on that. only one component, but this is 'chemical- we were just a lot more cavalier about it. L: Oh, good. Before the tum of the cen- ly-induced disorders of biological And that's what I want, and that's what we tury there was a group of scientists and response’. And that is what this disease is. all want with chemicals. We don't want to physicians who were injecting bugs into That it has no name is bullshit! shut the plants down or stop using them or rabbits. And the injections exempted the G: So lawsuits are the vehicle by which anything—we just want to be less cavalier. animals from the cost of disease. the adult Americans are beginning to And if you look at the way computer G: Oh, vaccination. realise that these things are affecting their 72¢NEXUS Modern Medicine & its Military Links AUGUST - SEPTEMBER 1994