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a long story short, it would make Charlie Manson look like He would tie them with flimsy ropes. If the ropes broke, too bad, Abigail van Buren. It was basically a psychological operation, the guys were dead. and it was very well done. Americans have done it many times G: So the boats wouldn't go so far down in the water? before, and in essence we did it inadvertently in Libya. The theo- L: That's what (Joe) Kennedy did. That's how the Kennedy ry is you don't kill the leader, you kill his children or his family. empire was built, as is well documented. There is no question G: Yeah, we did that in Libya. We got one of El Qaddafi's about it. kids, So, that John F. was involved with the Mafia and dmgs is not L: It works perfectly. It works all of the time. We used to doit surprising. In fact, he owned a piece of a casino in Cuba. You | with Indians all the time, too. know the CIA and the Mafia are very closely tied? Basically, what you do is you destroy the chief's family very G: I don’t know that. ignominiously, and I mean ignominiously. I mean, Charlie L: Because they dropped Lucky Luciano into Sicily for the Manson would look like a ‘sweetie’ compared to what this stuff Sicilian invasion. Yeah, the CIA and the Mafia have been ‘like was. And so when the guy comes back, he sees this mess—you _ that’, especially since World War I. know, his wife beheaded, her infant child stripped out of her G: I know just from reading "007" [James Bond] that they use abdomen and beheaded, and bleeding on her body, hung from a whomever they nced to use. rafter, shit all over the walls, those kind of things—that's how you L: The point is they are very close, and they should be, and do it. And when that happens, then these guys lose confidence in _ they are both very good organisations and they play hard ball. themselves, and the village loses confidence in them, but they're They are very good organisations. So we don't really want to play not martyrs, So the whole operation loses its fighting will. And stupid games and say “It's bad to do these kinds of things." That's that's basically “The American what built America. If you think Way". killing women and children. and That's how they did it with destroying families is bad, then you Blacks, that's how they did it think America is bad, right? with the Indians, and that's "So, that John F. [Kennedy] Because that's what America is how they did it in Laos and founded on. That's how we built Vietnam. That's ‘good, practi- Was involved with the Mafia ourselves. If drugs are bad, then cal warfare’. England shouldn't exist. Right? G: And you were involved = and drugs is not su rprising. Hong Kong should not be there. in this operation? . L: Yeah, yoo In fact, he owned a piece of ‘sav: Money FUNDING G: And this is the one that S s MEDICAL SCHOOLS? Bechtel was involved in? a casino In Cuba : L: Yeah, yeah. Bechtel and £ G: So, how did you get into Hughes were the major opera- environmental medicine? This tions, yeah. And also Bechtel You know the CIA and the naive, medical draftee learned all was very instrumental in build- Mafia are very closely tied2" about the organisation of the ing air strips from which Military, of the Mafia, of the CIA, cocaine is transported in of Big Business—they're all very Central and South America. well-organised and they all play G: chee, | Eich ees herd ial), Administration, some of his L: Yeah, right. And that should top people were Bechtel—former CEO and President—wasn't it not surprise you. Okay, so then I get back to the United States, Weinberger and Schultz? and I decide—among other things—I was really badly treated. L: How do you think Johnson got his job? But one of the things that was going on, which blew my mind, G: He knocked off Kennedy, you mean? was—I sequestered myself as a cancer researcher in immunology L: Come on, none of us was bor yesterday. It's all very logi- at UCSF when I came back and, lo and behold! cal. You know, Kennedy wasn't a good guy, either. I am very, What was going on was that the chief of the Department of very close to Joe Bonanno, who is almost my father. He just gave Medicine was lobbying for Howard Hughes’ funds, Hughes me this book. In fact, he autographed it. Industries! Now, the Hughes Medical Foundation, and I'll say G: Who is Joe Bonanno? this: most of its funds come from Hughes’ black budget, Hughes’ L: My God! Joe was—who's Joe Kennedy? [Joe Kennedy is CIA contract. I had worked with these guys in Operation the father of JFK, Bobby and Edward.) Joe Bonanno and Joe Phoenix, and here this very same money that was generated by Kennedy started as parmers. He outlines it in the book. that company was going to build this institute at the UCSF. G: Extreme Justice is Extreme Justice? He was your godfa- G: Okay, what you call "the black budget”—that's the part that ther? isn't public—this is where the drug money goes, into the black L: Yeah. A wonderful, wonderful man. He and I share a birth- —_ budget, right? day. Anyway, so basically what happened was that America’s L: Well, the drug money is part of it, but the drug money also been in drugs ever since it started, obviously. Joe Kennedy started goes into the pockets of the politicians. bootlegging Scotch, and then he got into heroin, too. And so G: Well, I assumed as much, but it goes into the black budget Bonanno split from Kennedy because Kennedy was a vicious mur- _ which gives them more money to do more things that might not be derer. They used to run Scotch from Canada to the United States, appropriated by Congress publicly? nd the yachts would run low in the water. Because the Coast L: Right, but most of the congressional people are either being Guard would look for that, he would throw the crew off—Cubans. _ paid from drugs, or know who is getting paid from drugs. That's 32°eNEXUS JUNE - JULY 1994