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Next I mentioned that the object seen by Sergeant Thompson had one outstanding peculiarity: it had a suction effect upon the water and trees over which it passed. "So what do you feel that Thompson's UFO could have been?" I asked. "Certainly a reflection caused by a temperature inversion can't bend the treetops together or pull water up to a different level." "Well, I have ideas," answered young Giacomo. "But I think everybody's biased about this UFO situation, no matter how much people try to be objective. Maybe what Thompson saw is an invention of this country? Something we're working on that's possibly anti-gravitational." I told him that I know about a number of aerospace companies which are doing research in methods to control gravity as a possible propulsion system for spacecraft. I added: "But I am not aware of any such research that has yet produced necessary hardware to do the job. Almost all of the research is still in the mathematical-development stage." "All right," said Giacomo. "Thousands of things pass through my mind as a possible cause. But I can think of no aerial phenomena that could cause that effect the Sergeant observed. That's all I can say about it." phenomena, no matter how strange, can be ultimately explained rationally - if all the scientific facts become known. His second UFO sighting was as mysterious to him as the first. He knows there is no absolute explanation for either. Again, he had a witness along with him at the time of sighting. Here's how he puts it: "Well, the second time - we made another spotting about two weeks later - the weather conditions were completely opposite from those of the first spotting. This time I was up at the reservoir with Jim Bonney, the fellow I took the radiation readings with (at North Ringwood). "Tt was overcast, starting to rain - the sky was just starting to be socked in. You couldn't see any stars in the sky or even the moon - if it was in the sky then. And we were looking south towards the spotting that I and my friends made two weeks before that date ... Suddenly, we saw what we thought to be a dim star - and we watched it and it grew brighter. It kept on growing brighter - until it grew in brightness to about four times the intensity of, say, a good bright star in the sky. Then it started moving in the same direction that we saw the other, the first object, moving two weeks earlier. But this one seemed to fluctuate quite a bit in altitude. Every once in awhile, it would fluctuate very fast. And even though it was fluctuating, it seemed to be heading in a consistent direction. If you know what I mean? It would rise in altitude and drop in altitude without changing its forward course He nodded. "It could have been." John de Giacomo is not actually skeptical about UFOs. Rather he has trained himself to believe that all toward the northeast. "And this was beneath the clouds?"