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129 Q. No, I meant a case reported out at Luke Field. Three fighters took off, if the story sent us is correct. Apparently it made quite a commotion. That was back in 1945. A. What pictures? There weren't any that amounted to anything. Maybe half a dozen. They didn't show anything, just spots on film or weather balloons at a distance. A. Well, there were some people who claimed they saw the same disks. But we found out later they'd heard about it on the radio. Q. I'd like to go back to the Mantell case a second. If Venus was so bright--remember Mantell thought it was a huge metallic object--why didn't the pilot who made the search later on-- A. Well, it was Venus, that's positive. But I can't remember all the details without the case books. Q. One more question, Major. Have any reports been received at Wright Field since Project "Saucer" closed? There was a case after that date, an airliner crew-- "It's all up to the local commanders now. If they want to receive reports of anything unusual, all right. And if they want to investigate them, that's up to each {p. 152} A. Only if they happened to have guns for some other mission, like gunnery practice. Q. We've heard of one case where fighters chased a saucer to a high altitude. One of them emptied his guns at it. A. You must mean that New Jersey affair. The plane was armed for another reason. A. It might have happened. I don't know. Q. What was this New Jersey case? A. I'd rather not discuss any more cases without having the books here. Q. Has Project "Saucer" released its secret pictures? Q. In the Kenneth Arnold case, didn't some forest rangers verify his report? Q. Didn't they draw some sketches that matched Arnold's? A. I never heard about it. At this point, Major Jesse Stay broke in.