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distinctly not. For some, of course, hearing of this higher—dimensional either/or outcome there may be lingering doubts as to whether the participants were truly able to dissociate their third—density, lower terrestrial faculties of discriminative dualism from the integral domains of astral, mental and soul bodies involved in such "information—gathering". To this query one can really only rejoin "you have to be there" (an opportunity made good in the offing since the T-Bird began the presentation of taped lessons, direct Initiations into the Mother-—current etc.); yet some provisional assurance can be advanced in the explanation that whole philosophical universes of insight and understanding were also to accompany these experiential passes or intuitive glimpses, which in the unexpected richness of their development furnished clear reasoning as to why the progression toward higher and more uniuve densities of consciousness beyond the third necessarily involved a more unified/undiluted commitment to either an orientation identifiable as clear positivity, or clear negativity. PARTI "I have a problem with this positive/negative business, Michael", Colonel Stevens was to remark as the subject veered toward that inevitable pass (cf. our interview with Wendelle Stevens begun in issue 3, VoL 2 TNTC). "It seems to me that the subject bogs down at this point in just the kind of ambiguous 'moralism' that characterizes standard religious attitude on the subject, and which therefore inevitably leads to types of intolerances—of-—interpretation that brook no opposition, you know?" (*1) "Well," MT said, "it certainly can if there's a component of self-righteous identification involved; that however is precisely why true spiritual development in the esoteric sense of higher mind/body integration and alignment is absolutely necessary to a balanced *1) The following is an expanded version of a much briefer conversation actually held with Col. Stevens, who suggested during the count of the conversation that the explanations given him re Positive and Negative beings, spiritual development etc ought to be written and published in detail since tohim it clarified the subject more deeply than anything he'd heard previously. The conversational format has therefore been retained, as it loans itself to the kinds of comprehension drawn out through dialog. understanding of these things, and why it can't be left in the hands of standard low-level ego consciousness now backed by 'godly' justifications; certainly, that just leads to the Inquisition." "Right! I've heard the more 'new age' attempts to explain the distinction, you know, like 'service—to—self' and 'service—to—others'; those categories are even supposed to be given by higher—dimensional beings for our further clarification, but it seems to me it just replaces one duatistic formula with an equivalent that begs the ee, ro 11 "Of course you have a point insofar as 'self and 'others' aren't absolute categories; I've had early difficulty off-and—on myself in accepting them as adequate explanatory tools. But I think it's simply resolved if we accept them not as absolute but as 'rough—and-ready' categories; certainly the 'dividing'—line between self and 168 T-Bird_Vs_The_Flying_saucers.htm ..And the Positive/Negative Realms Beyond This World Precis on the Good, the Bad and What Curls Up Under a Rock question rather than answers it!"