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It also turned out that his boss, E. E. White of the Wells Cargo (not Fargo!) Construction Company, had seen the Saucer come in to land from a distance of one-and-a-half miles and had presumed, in the fading light, that it was a disabled airliner. And on a later occasion White and several others saw two members of the Saucer crew. | do not believe Bethurum fully understood what he had seen nor what had been told him by his strange visitors, but only that he did have some kind of experience with an extra-terrestrial object and its crew. As is so often the case, the story improves with the telling. But there is an original tape- recording in which he, frightened and worried, haltingly tells what had happened to him while it was still fresh in his memory. My own impressions of Bethurum were that he was a good-natured and unimaginative, simple but sincere man in much the same sort of difficulty as would be a native of the Brazilian jungle trying to describe to his village the helicopter that had landed and of the amazing white-man crew within it. With Daniel Fry it was a different story. Fry was a government engineer working at White Sands Testing Ground, New Mexico, in 1950. One evening, according to him, a small Saucer landed and a voice invited him aboard (coming from a kind of radio, for the ship was remotely controlled from a mother ship) and explained to him the outline of its construction and propulsion. Fry?s document is the opposite of Bethurum?s?technical, precise?typical of an engineer used to facts and figures. Fry claims his contact took place four years ago, but at the time he told very few people for be was afraid he would lose his job or be considered mad. Shortly after | met him he volunteered (some say he was coerced) into undergoing a lie-detector test on TV. Fry, being an engineer, took the precaution of making his own test to see if he could detect lies from the lie-detector. For this he deliberately gave a false age, place of birth, etc., which the detector recorded as truthful answers. Concerning his own experience, the detector recorded untruth. After this, one of our investigators, Mme. Manon Darlaine of Hollywood, wrote concerning this to her friend J. Edgar Hoover, chief of the F.B.l. Hoover replied that the lie-detector was totally unreliable as it merely registered emotional changes, and for that reason he had condemned its use in criminal investigation. Fry?s personal tests, made without the knowledge of the operators, fairly well proved that this particular investigation was useless. All three men, Adamski, Bethurum and Fry, claim that their experiences are concrete and physical, having nothing to do with the psychic realm. They are realistic in their conversation, pointing out that, as far as they can see, they merely happened to be present when members of a more advanced civilization paid us a visit?nothing more. They struck me as reliable men, anxious to tell the truth, who admitted that it was hard to recall so great an experience in ordinary words. They have all suffered as a result of their exneriences. No doubt the natives who reported the jungle helicopter landing suffered a]so from disbelievers and the superstitious alike. While on the subject of the superstitious, it is worth noting that the lunatic fringe of untrained psychics have moved into Flying Saucers with a grave danger of discrediting the whole business.