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Chapter Eleven not very stable. And it’s gone quick. ...I feel strange. ...I’m just not me. ...I feel blank ...like a remote unit..”. (Turner, 1992, pp. 132-139ff) Carlos writes: The predator don Juan had described was not something benevolent. It was enormously heavy, gross, indifferent. I felt its disregard for us. Doubtless, it had crushed us ages ago, making us, as don Juan had said, weak vulnerable, and docile. I had my wrath, my unbending intent, not to let them eat me. I wept for my fellow men... (Castaneda, 1998) Now, let us look again at what the Cassiopaeans said about my own experience, the “eclipsing of realities”. Q: (L) The first thing on my mind is an experience I had several nights ago. It seemed as though there was some sort of interaction between myself and something “other”. Could you tell me what this experience was? Q: (L) Well, it seemed to me that something happened to me that blanked out a period of my experience, and you say this was an eclipsing of energies caused by an intersecting of thought centers. Now, this intersecting of thought centers, did this occur within my body or within my environment? Q: (L) Was some part of my being [in the process of] being separated from another part of my being? A: Yes. A: It is more just an activity taking place. Attempt implies effort rather than the nature present in a conflicting of energies and thought centers. Q: (L) I also seemed to be aware of several dark, spider-like figures lined up by the side of the bed, was this an accurate impression. 320 A: Was eclipsing of the realities. Q: (L) What is an eclipsing of the realities? A: It is when energy centers conflict. Q: (L) What energy centers are conflicting? A: Thought energy centers. A: They are one and the same. Q: (L) Was this an attempt to extract my soul or astral body? A: Attempt is not probably the proper term. Q: (L) In other words... A: Those could be described as specific thought center projections. Q: (L) I seemed to be fighting and resisting this activity.