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58 to shoot down craft if we perceived these beings to be benevolent? Kewper: Well, it could be something that happened since that time. I believe it would have happened over the [former] Soviet Union because I know they had a big craft go over that was almost like a mother ship, and they tried to shoot it down but the thing just shot all the aircraft that they had pursuing it, right out of the air in just a few seconds, with whatever lasers or whatever they [alien craft] haddeath rays, something like that. Howe: What is the source of your information on this? Kewper: This is through my friend, through my boss's son. When he talked to me in 1993 he mentioned that they'd had an ugly incident there where the aliens had actually attacked some type of a military base from where a 14 wat 1 ’ 1a a 1 they had sent the planes up to attack [the mother ship]. Howe: Did you ever learn what type of being was in that craft? Kewper: No, I didn't. Nobody did. It was a flyover-type thing and nothing landed, so no one would know what was actually in there. But I know the big craft contained many small saucer craft; it was almost like an aircraft carrier, like we would have with airplanes on it. Howe: So, in summary, you went from 1957 to 1960 seeing these highly classified reports about extraterrestrial beings, technology and craft. You actually saw 16-mm black and white autopsy/dissection film of the six-fingered humanoid when you were in the CIA. You actually went to Nevada, to Nellis AFB and Area 51, where you personally saw at least seven different craft and the live being that was described as a "grey" with large black eyes and was different from the six-fingered humanoid. And yet, when you left the Army Signal Corps and CIA work in 1960, there was still no understanding about the relationship between those beings or toa a why they were there. Kewper: Yes, that's right; one- hundred-per-cent right. At that time there was a question mark, a big question mark as to why they were here. In some casesapparently some of the US sightingsthey were tremendously friendly. Howe: Were friendly? Kewper: Yes, were friendly. And, of course, there were all the abduction things that came out later. There weren't any in that original Blue Book file that I had seen at that time in Blue Book. I know there were quite a few later that said they were abducted. Howe: And did you ever see any references to animal mutilations or unusual deaths? Kewper: Yes. At that time we had it out in Colorado, I think. I saw some of those. Different parts of the animal were taken like samplesthe stomachs in some, sex organs in othersand [the animals were] apparently mutilated with a laser weapon of some kind that left very precise cutting edges. Howe: Did you read about any such cases in that 1957 to 1960 time period? Kewper: Yes, especially from Colorado. Howe: Even back then? Kewper: Yes. TH... AL Howe: And was there speculation on the part of the Central Intelligence Agency or the military about the relationship between these unusual animal deaths and the extraterrestrials? Kewper: Yes. The only thought at that time, if I remember correctly, is that they [extraterrestrials] were taking samples of these various animals on the Earth just to see more or less what their different functions were... Howe: Do you think that this story should be told in its entirety today? Kewper: Yes, I think it should. I think it would be helpful in explaining it, first of all. We still have a lot of sightings to this day and age. Howe: And this is why you're talking to me? W _ NT Kewper: Yes. EPILOGUE: After this audiotaped interview was broadcast on the North American syndicated radio