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53 completely, but it looked like a miniature man with a smaller head, but it wasn't the great big narrow face with the big eyes. It didn't have ears like we have; it had a little circle around a hole inside of its skull. The ears didn't look like [ours]. The nose looked basically like [ours] and the mouth was much smaller. Howe: Do you remember if this film was shown to you in 1957, 10 years after 1947? Was there any knowledge then among the intelligence agencies from any communication with these beings about what their origin was? Kewper: Nothing really. While I was there, the whole three years, we never saw any information about where they came from and what they were doing here. Nothing was ever brought out in regards to that. My boss and I were both wondering about that: Why were they here? Why would they come here? And where were they from? During that period of time, as far as I know, the government had no idea where they were from or what they were trying to do here. Howe: From a military and CIA point of view, were they considered a threat? Kewper: Not really a threat, but there was a questionable threat; and they were working under that assumption to try to increase the different radar around the country more so that they could detect if they were coming in from outer space and be able to get some type of scrambling from the Air Force's nearest base to check it out or shoot them down or whatever. Howe: Were you ever given a briefing or exposed to any other information between 1957 and 1960 beyond that screening of the autopsy/dissection film? Kewper: I would say no, not during that time. We just had the various foreign, a few domestic, but mostly foreign sightings that we had gone over. We had people overseas who would go and interview these people who had photographs of aliens outside of a saucer, but nothing at that time. Basically I saw just the film of the autopsy on that particular being; but, like I mentioned, when I went to Area 51 in 1958 I did see another type of a being where it was the peaked face, the great big eyes and the little chin that has always been termed a "grey", I believe. Howe: Okay, can you describe that experience? Kewper: We were out there for a meeting of all the CIA people around this country and over towards the Far East and so on, and we had the meeting there at Area 51. We were involved with this Project Blue Book thing and they wanted the meeting there, so some of us involved directly with itthere were only five of us that went from [name of Army base deleted] and we were the only five that had the meeting out there. They had meetings right in the main buildings of the Air Force, a little base they had there. Howe: At Nellis AFB in Nevada. Kewper: Yes. But we went out to Groom Lake area and the two areas they had out there. They showed it to us, but only to us and not to the CIA people from the Far East or from Central America. They didn't go out there; it was only the five of us. We landed at Area 51 at the main landing strip. Then we got into a van-type of small minibus. After that, we didn't stop to get into any other buildings there. They took us down about 10 miles away, something of that nature, and stopped at the first special area. And they took us into the area there, and they had U-2s and also the SR-71 BlackbirdsI believe they were flying them at that time. We were there a short period of time, and then we got back on the bus and went about another eight miles to the third and final area where they had highly classified material. We stopped there and went into an office area first, and then a colonel there met us and took us on a tour. He took us first of all down a walkway into a hangar area that had been carved out. It might have been a natural cave to start out with, but at least it was carved out of the mountainside area. It was not extremely large. WW Wrote at a Howe: Was this the Papoose mountain range? Kewper: I wouldn't really know. I don't think I ever questioned what the mountains were. Howe: Okay, but so I am clear, this is a colonel who is joining you and your CIA boss and three other CIA men in your program? W _ NT Kewper: Yes.