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51 in regard to that. We would really appreciate it because reporters and just interested people, if it gets aired, may try to get into the classified area thereand, of course, to their own physical harm." Howe: They did not say that you could not talk about the six-fingered humanoid film? Kewper: No; nothing like that. Howe: Well, then, could we do an interview today? Not for name attribution but to put you on the radio as a person who servedand you can tell me how you want it describedand who saw this film, and you could try to give me the year. Can we do that? Kewper: Yeah, I guess so, as long as I don't bring up anything about... Howe: So you were getting the reports that Project Blue Book was collecting; that they were allowing to the public only those they were explaining. You were actually handling the files that were unexplained? Kewper: Yes. Probably not all of them, but at least we were one of the groups investigating the unexplained. I know when they closed down Project Blue Book they said they had found absolutely nothing as far as what they did in Project Blue Book that wasn't explained. And that was actually true because anything they didn't explain would be sent to Fort Belvoir in Virginia and then farmed out from there to other military. The FBI was involved with some of the things, too, I know, because FBI would show up on some of these peoples' doorsteps. Howe: What were the years that you were personally working in the CIA and handling these highly classified reports related to the UFO phenomenon? Kewper: 1957 to 1960. I was in the service starting in 1956, but I didn't get involved with this in the first year, you know. Howe: And your rank was what and in which military branch? Kewper: I was in the Army and a First Lieutenant. I was still actually in the Army Signal Corps, but I also worked for the CIA, too, because I was getting two paychecks. I was getting one from the CIA and one from military service. Howe: Now, in the course of this work from 1957 to 1960, did you see any 16-mm films related to this phenomenon? w te oTmMA ton " a Kewper: In regard to UFOs in Roswell, you mean? Howe: Right. Kewper: The only film I saw is the one that has been released in the last couple of years showing an alien autopsy. I saw that very same film in 1957. Howe: And what were the circumstances in which you saw this? Kewper: It was in regard to studying UFOs, in working up and going through and trying to cover or investigate some of these folders we had in regard to the different sightings. Apparently someone at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, sent that film to my boss. The team viewed the thing one Saturday morning and he had to send it right back to Fort Belvoir again. But we did see that one. And we also saw several other at that time highly classified UFO sightings on film. We had one film showing a UFO actually developing or materialising over a power plant out in one of the western states like Oregon or Washington or Utahsomewhere out in that area. Howe: You mean someone just happened to be filming? Kewper: Yes. Someone was trying a brand new camera and they were filming this power plant. First, the mountainous areas around, and then they were over to this power plant. The power plant had a smokestack and had some smoke going on up. And a little ways away from where the smoke was going up, we started seeing little white, round...like a little piece of a cloud. It got more and more dense, and more and more round. And pretty soon you could see little tiny windows around the bottom section. I'm just using "windows" as a term loosely. It developed more and more, and pretty soon it looked real silver, and soon it started flying off by itself, slowly. Howe: So you had on film, in Central Intelligence Agency work, we'll call it an actual materialisation of what appeared to be a hard, silver disc that literally just emerged from what looked like a vaporous cloud?