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192 to get your hands dirty in the three-dimensional world. They are in complete denial-most of those people, not all by any means, but most-of the fact that this manipulation is going on. I keep hearing this, "Oh, it's negative. We shouldn't be talking about this." And then, on the other side, those who have identified the problem in America are overwhelmingly the Christian Patriot Movement, not exclusively by any means, but overwhelmingly that's the focus of so much of it. And they think that spirituality, as expressed metaphysically in the New-Age stuff, is the bloody devil. So what the Illuminati have done magnificently is detach the metaphysical understanding of how we can get out of here from the three-dimensional, street-wise awareness of the manipulation. So, they've taken the problem and the solution and they've got one to identify the problem, and they've got the solution to be a denial there's a problem to solve, if you follow me. Martin: I do. Icke: And they've done it brilliantly. And this is why Kissinger put out some of the New-Age big names, and still controls many of them who are still persuading people that, in effect, the cavalry is going to come. And, so often, when you look at New-Age thought, it is merely another way of expressing a religious bloody thought. You know, instead of giving your mind away to dieties or whatever, you're giving your mind away to gurus or to bloody external entities and stuff. I'm not saying that we should not look at this information, but we have to filter it through our own "truth detector" and come to our own truth, rather than having us be told by someone else how we should live our lives and how we should think and how we should see the world. And in so many areas the New-Age movement has become just another form of religion and control. And I'll tell you what, in areas of the New-Age movement that I've experienced, you go against the "party line" and you see what happens. You know, it's just like going against the party line of Christianity or going against the party line of the Pope-you get jumped on by the majority. And individualism, while they talk about the necessity for it, the desire for it, is constantly crushed by the belief system of the group. It's interesting, you know, when I talk about this in my talks, everywhere I go in the world I get applause from the audience. Because I think people are starting to get sick of the New-Age movement, which is actually so often diverting us from and suppressing us from the real truth of metaphysics. And the real truth is that WE, as individuals, are in control of our destiny, and not external forces being in control. And so, I think it's very important, in the years that we are in now, that we start to take our individual sovereignty back and start to realize that we have the right to decide our truth and live our truth, and not have another truth imposed upon us, whether it's the New-Age movement, Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism, or whatever it is, because the whole basis of the control is getting individuality subordinated to the group, getting individuality suppressed by the majority, suppressed by the herd mentality. There are two ways of solving the problem. We can find the solution to it, which is actually not the best way, because for me the best way of solving a problem is removing the cause of it and then it goes away. The cause of the few controlling the planet is people giving their power away and not thinking for themselves and just following the one in front without question. And, insisting-and this is the key thing, stage two-insisting that others do the same, because once that happens, you create a situation in which whoever sets the norms in the world, whether considered sane or insane, possible or impossible, moral or immoral, whoever sets those norms runs the world. This happens because of the overwhelming, vast majority of humanity who have given their power away and given their thinking processes and individuality away, and will live their lives in accordance with those dictated norms because they're not thinking or questioning them.