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191 covert control-and of course, the world has walked away now, no longer paying attention-with the same people, the Oppenheimer family, running South Africa as they did before. It's just that no one is exposing it anymore because South Africa is free, you know, I read it in the newspaper somewhere. His daughter said that Botha wanted to meet me. Now, as synchronicity would have it, I was talking at a small place, the only small place I spoke at, actually-I did the cities, mainly-and not far from down the coast from Port Elizabeth, and it just so happened that fifteen minutes from the point of the talk lived P. W. Botha in retirement. So I went to see him. He was talking to me-I found it really bizarre, Rick, to be honest! I'm sitting there talking to the former President of South Africa, and he's asking me about the way in which this manipulation works. He's naming all the names like Kissinger and Carrington and Rockefeller, and all these people who manipulated South Africa, but he hadn't genuinely seen that actually South Africa was just one element in a global agenda. He thought they just had it in for South A Lt Africa. When you realize that you can get to that level and people still don't bloody know what's going on, the compartmentalization just takes your breath away. We started talking about the Rothschilds-this is the point-and he said, "Oh, yeah, I had an interesting meeting with the Rothschilds. In the 1980s I was asked to host a meeting with the English Rothschilds in Capetown." He said the Rothschilds told him that there was money in Swiss bank accounts, great wealth in Swiss bank accounts, which once belonged to German Jews, and was available for investment in South Africa, if they could agree on interest rates. In other words, this Rothschild family, who are held up as like bastions of Judaism, and supporters and defenders of Jewish people, have actually been lending money in Swiss bank accounts that once belonged to German Jews, and making a fortune from it, ever since the war. And P. W. Botha can vouch for this because he was offered it, in the 1980s in Cape Town. This is what Jewish people really ought to get wise to-that the Rothschilds are not on their side, not in the least, and they have manipulated Jewish people as much as anyone else. And, of course, one of the funders of Adolf Hitler, which starts to make things even more clear and starts to fit the picture even more clearly, why the banking family that funded and bankrolled Hitler, to a large extent, would, after the war, be having control of the money from German Jews in Swiss bank accounts, to the point where they could use it for their own gain ever since. And this, of course, is the money that came to light in the last couple of years and has caused this great scandal about people being denied their money. Martin: You've stated that you've observed people waking up around the world. In the final analysis, what does that mean? Icke: It seems that there is a cycle, which we're coming toward the end of, which is acting-it's a vibrational cycle, in terms of it's effect on the Earth's field-which is acting like a spiritual alarm clock. It's beginning to wake people up from what I call the "terrestrial trance", the spiritual slumber is so long. And this is why people close to Kissinger during the "70s have told me that it was Kissinger and his cronies who actually created what we call the New-Age Movement, an important point, this, vital. When I've said this, people have said, "Well, that's ridiculous!" Is it, really? There's a vibrational cycle going on which is waking people up. Now, apart from going to the Sun and switching it off, or changing it's vibrational cycle, whatever, you have one other alternative-and that is to take awakening people, and put them in a position, preferably about a foot below the ceiling, where awakening people-on one level-are not going to become a danger to your agenda. And what they've done is, they're taking the spiritually awakening people and they've put them on the ceiling, overwhelmingly. Not all, by any means, but great, great numbers of them. And in that place they are not involved in spirituality as change, they're involved in spirituality as escapism, spirituality as denial, spirituality as an excuse not