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were closer to me—it was just that kind of a thing. We were good buddies and that just seemed very natural to me, but . . . he talked about the adventure of it as though he wasn’t the only person who did it. People did it because it was a neat thing to learn, and a fun thing to look around, and it didn’t seem it was unusual for more than one person to do it. The thing is, you know, it wasn’t like I was talking to strangers—that’s what made it so interesting. You would have thought, you know, when I first got there, I mean it wasn’t an uncom- fortable place, but you would have thought that, when I started to talk to somebody, it would have seemed like—it’s almost like there wasn’t much even in the way of introduc- tions. You AC: As if you’ve known each other from somewhere or other from before? VH: Either that we had known each other, or about each other, or were just the kind of people who found it easy to get to know one another. It just wasn’t—it wasn’t like when you meet a stranger. Budd Hopkins has received many awards for his painting, scupture, and scholarship, among them the National Endowment for the Arts Fellowship and a Guggen- heim Fellowship. He began to formally investigate UFOs in 1975. His books include Missing Time, Intruders, and W714. 22-24 Time, Witnessed. 28