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and I said, ‘Yes, I would.’ And so that’s another maybe. I ask him if it’s nice, and he says, ‘Yes, it is.’ You feel a lot like the way it feels right now, and, um, he seems to enjoy how much I enjoy all the sparkly things. It doesn’t mean that they have a lot of wen wee ate ne Le AC: [Inaudible question purpose of his visit.] about the VH: We had ... it’s the adventure of it. You know, it’s the fun of it and the adventure of it. He explains about all those wonderful, interesting places to visit. How different life is in different places and . . . the different kinds of animals and plants and people and different ways of doing things, and that it’s so interesting to see and learn about them. So he just explains it like an adventure. Its funny. When I went to graduate school, I remember that people would ask me what I wanted to do. I said I wanted to be an adventuress, and I was very taken with the idea of adventure, and traveling around and seeing neat things and trying neat things, meeting interesting people. It sounded like a lot of fun, and he said it was a lot of fun, and that was why he had come to see me and that’s why he would try to come back another time to see me again if he could. neat Yes, he painted a wonderful picture of all there is to see. Beautiful things, unbelievable things . . . and no end to them. No matter how long you looked or how far you went, you'd never get to the end of them. AC: Did he tell you how you could get to visit these places? VH: Yes, he said he could take me there, but that it would take a while and 27 that we didn’t have time now. Maybe some other time he would. And, ah, you know, like, ‘Your Mom would be upset if we went away for a while, you know.’ A while didn’t seem to be—didn’t seem to be years, you know, it could have been months, but it would take a while, which seemed natural, of course, and, uh, yeah, he couldn’t do that without asking my _ mother’s permission. And I said I was sure she wouldn't care. I said I’d ask her. ‘No, we couldn’t do that just now.’ He didn’t say he would and he didn’t say he wouldn’t, but it was just something we couldn't do right then, so maybe we would do it another time. AC: Has he done it for others? Has he taken others to his place? VH: I don’t think I asked him. I don’t think—you know the light might have been very bright. It seems like my eyes hurt me. [Virginia was rubbing her eyes.] Maybe the light was very bright. Pretty, but bright. [Returns to the question.] Did he take others? Well when we talked about it, he didn’t talk about it as though it was a new idea or something that was an odd question. It was like, you know, you’d ask your grandfather if he would take you to town to go to a movie, and it wasn’t that it was a novel idea or anything. It was as if he felt like it, he could or would, and I don’t think I asked about anybody else. It seemed like—it seemed like it was just a special relationship with me, but you see that was true of the way I related to older people, so I don’t know whether that was—I mean, I was especially close to my grandparents and especially close to aunts and uncles and it was always a very special relationship to me. They sparkly things at home.