PROJECT BLUE BOOK

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PROJECT 10073 RECORD
1. DATE - TIME GROUP LOCATION
25 September 65 26/0500z Rodeo, New Nexico
3. SOURCE 10. CONCLUSION
Civilian UNIDENTIFLD
1. NLIMBER OF OSJECTS
To Motion tends to rule out reflection or nirnge of ground light s.
5. LENGTH OF OBSERVATION 5. LENGTH OF OBSERVATION 11. 11. BRIEF SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS
6.inutes 6.1inutes Tho thite objects side by side. Size of a dire. Fossible shl tho thite objects side by side. Size of a dire. Fossible shl
6. 6. TYPE OF OBSERVATION dust trail at firot sighting. First asaumed to be auto driving dust trail at firot sighting. First asaumed to be auto drivihg
on desert.  Appeared to be near the base of on desert.  Appeared to be near the base a 6,coo ft mountan. a 6.000 ft mountaln.
Ground-Visual Observed front car. Appeared in lorth moing Westward on courpe Observed front car. Appeared in lorth moving Westward on courpe
7, 7. COURSE intersecting observers aubo. After watching lights as they intersecting observers aubo.  After watching lights as they
approached driver realiced that they were about 5 ft in the apprcached driver realized that they were about 5 ft in the ir ir
Varied Varied He then asaumed it was an a/e. Objeet remalned at the same He then asaumed it wes an a/e. Objeet remalned at the same
8. PHOTOS relative posi tion when observer speeded up from S0 mph to 80 relative rosi tion shen observer speeded un fmm so mph to Bo
Distance at this point wes assuned to be one city blodk in sabe
Yes relative position. This was for 2 minute duration, at which
iTNo light changed color to lisht blue and began to setarate slowly
9. PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to the South (rear) of car. After three minutes the lights
Yes separated, one moving Southdast and one roving Bast.
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POSITION WAS HELO FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO MINUTES WITH OBJECTS APPEAR-
ING TO BE AT AN ANGULAR SEPARATION OF TEN TO FIFTEEN DEGREES AND
STILL IN LINE HORIZONTALLY. THEY THEN BEGAN TO MOVE TO REAR (SOUTH) 0 MovC  RLAR (oOUTn)
OF AUTO, SLONLY SEPARATING, LIGHT CHANGING FROM WHITE TO A LIGHT OF AUTO, SLOINLY SEPARATING, LIGHT CHANGING FROM WHITE TO A LIGHT
BLUE. AFTER APPROXIMATELY THREE MINUTES, FROM TIME THEY BEGAN TO BLUE. AFTER APPROXIMATELY THREE MINUTES, FROM TIME THEY BEGAN TO
DROP BACK, OBJECTS FADED FROM SIGHT WITH ONE APPARENTLY MOVING EAST- DROP BACK, OBJECTS FADED FROM SIGHT WITH ONE APPARENTLY MOVING EAST-
WARD, THE OTHER SOUTHEAST.
BO) SLOWLY TO REAR. ONE EASTWARD, THE OTHER SOUTHEAST.
B(6) APPROXIMATELY 6 MINUTES
CCT) GROUND VISUAL K
CCQ2) NONE
C(3) N/A
DCD SEPT 26/05OOZ PLUS OR MINUS FKVE MINUTES
D(2NIGHT
E. US HWY 8D, NORTHBOUND, SIX MILES NORTH RODEO, NEW MEXICO AND
ONE HALF MILE NORTH OF SIDE ROAD TO AMIMAS, NEW MEXICO.
F(D DR. F(D DR. AGE 51, E, DEMING NEW MEXICO , DEMING NEW MEXICO
AND WIFE, ANO WIFE, RESTAURANT OWNER. DOCTORATE IN PHYSICAL STAURANT OWNER. DOCTORATE IN PHYSICAL
CHEMISTRY. FORMER TEACHER OF CHEMISTRY, RELIABLE, BASED ON PHONE CHEMISTRY. FORMER TEACHER OF CHEMISTRY, RELIABLE, BASED ON PHONE
CONVERSATION. NO HESITATION, POSITIVE OF HIS OBSERVATIONS. CONVERSATIONG NO HESITATION, POSITIVE OF HIS OBSERVATIONS.
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GCD STILL, QUIET, CLEAR GCD STILL, QUIET, CLEAR
GC2) SURFACE CALM, 6000 L/V, 10,000 L/V GC2) SURFACE CALM, 6000 L/V, 10,000 L/V
G(3) CLEAR G(S) CLEAR
G(4) UNLIMITED
G(5) NONE
G(6) NONE
G(7) STABLE
H{ NONE$
1NONE
J NONE KNOWN
K CHIEF, COMBAT INTELLIGENCE BRANCH, 95BOMBWG. ALL CONVERSATION
WITH THE OBSERVERS WAS BY TELEPHONE. THE DOCTOR SEEMS TO BE A
RELIABLE OBSERVER. A CONVENTIONAL AIRCRAFT IS RULED OUT BECAUSE
OF PERIOD OF STABILITY RELATIVE TO AUTO AND SUBSEQUENT SEPARATION TVC TO AOTO AMD SOSSLQULMT SEPARAITON
OF THE LIGHTS. APOSSIBLE EXPLANATION WOULO BE TWO HELICOPTERS.
CBSERVERS HEARD NO SOUND WHATSOEVER WITH CAR WINOOWS OPEN. ADDI- CBSERVERS HEARD NO SOUND WHATSOEVER WITH CAR WINOOWS OPEN. ADDI-
TIONALLY THE INVESTIGATOR HAS BEEN UNABLE TO IDENTIFY ANY HELICOP-
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January 13, 1966
Dear Major:
This is to report to you the result of my visit to Holloman
New Mexico to interview Dr. and Mrs. who made a report from
the Deming, Hew Nexico trip occurred to me arter I got to New Mexicict.
intention to visit Deming by phone from New Mexico, as you will intention to visit Deming by phone from New Mexico, as you will
remember.
Ff

DEARBORN OBSERVATORY
NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY
EVANSTON, ILLINOIS 60201
January 19, 1900
hajor Hector Quintanilla USAF
Chiaf, Aerial Phenomena Branch
Wright-Patterson Air Foree Base
Dayton, Ohio 45433
Dear Major: Dear Major:
This is the second part of my report on my trip to New Mexico.
Un the day after I visited Holloman Air Force Base I drove by
private car to Deming, New Nexico, which is 6O miles west of Las Cruces, private
where I had stopped on my way back from Holloman. where I had stopped on my way beck from Holloman. I had noted that the i had noted that the
sighting or 25 September 1965, made at Nodeo, New Mexico, was made sighting of 25 September 1965, made at Nodeo, New Mexico, was made by a
Or. and Mrs. of Deming, New Nexico. Inasmuch as Dr, or Deming, New Mexico. Inasmuch as Dr,
had a doctorate in physical chemistry from Columbia University, i felt
that their sighting, which has remained unidentified in our books, might
best be investigated. Unfortunately, the sighting still remains unidenti-
fied, but i have much more corroborative material than we had before.
Dr. and Mrs. operate the La Fonda Hestaurant in Deming,
New Mexico. It is a sort of glorified roadside restaurant, cmplete with
bar. Apparently they do fairly well. i did not feel free to question
him as to how it happened that he, a Ph.D. in chemistry, should be opera-
'ting a restaurant. But apparently he did not like the chemical industry,
in which he worked for a number of years, and for that, or health reasons,
or both, he moved to New Mexico.
Both he and his wife were quite talkative but they told a sequen-
tial story which either has to be believed in the main, or these two wit-
nesses dismissed as utterly deluded. They told us their tale while we
were seated at a secluded table in their restaurant. ur. did most
of the talkding but Mrs. 01vie vatlils eame in with various comments, sometimes
disagreeing on speciric points. The sketch,Dr. disagreeing on speciric points. The sketch. drew of their jour-
ney home fron Douglas to Deming ney home from Douglas to Deming follows: follows:
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Fordsburs. tordsburs.
They had been coming north on U.S. 8o from Douglas and had just
Apache. They had just passed a- ny side roed which leads to a settle-
ment known as Animas and which is accordinly known as Animas Road, when
they saw at about their 2 o'clock position what at first appeared to be
truck lights heading down toward them. it was about lO:Oo P.M. at night
and the night was clear and dark, with no moon. They said there were no
clouds and it was pitch black. Their first impression was this was a
trruck coming down the Animas road, but they seon realized that this was
impossible, since this was ahead of them and they had already passed the
road.
They next realized that the lights were not exactly on the ground
but at some slignt distance above, and so their next Ieeling was that this
has a pilot's
license and has 155 hours clocked, but that was some time ago. license and has l55 hours clocked, but that was some time ago. Neverthe- Neverthe-
less, he says that he is familiar with photo missions and thinking less, he says that he familiar with photo missions and thinking this this
might be that, he deliberately looked for wing tip lights, but did not
see any. The lights were moving almost at right angles to U.3. 8O and The lights were moving almost at right angles to U.3. 8O and
thinking thinking that if this were a low flying mission there mignt be a colli-
sion, Dr. sion, Dr. lstepped on it and got the car up to sO miles an hour lstepped on it and got the car up to 8o miles an hour
attempting to get beyond the point at which the lights would presumably, attempting to get beyond the point at which the lights would presumably
cross the road.

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As he sped on the object not only continued to come toward him
but seemed to go sideways and keep at the relative position about at
right angles to them. Dr. I sped on, saying that his thoughts were
that uthey can't go sideways and keep up with us." The lights got so
close that they lit up the interior of the car, according to their report.
This had now been going on for about 3 minutes, according to both of them.
At this point, Dr. said that his wife had exclaimed: mueorge, they
are going to get us." The lights now seemed to be drifting over them and
brilliantly illuminating the immediate region, They simply couldn't under-
"sideways." Though the Waltons were now speeding along, they could not
shake the lights, but the lights never got ahead of them. After about a
minute or so, the lights fell back and separated, Light going off to
the northeast, the other to the southeast. The lights had never actually
arossed the road, but had come up close to and probably over the car.
The lights apparently disappearod quickly in the distance.
The lare experienced travelers since bhobby is making
water colors of ghost towns. On many weekends they travel around the
countryside looking for.suitable objects to paint. They were very familiar
with this particular section of the road knowing, for instancs, that very
shortly ahead there were dangerous curves and they would have to slow down.
ur Iremarked that he remembors thinking to bimsolf that it was for-
tunate that this happened when they were on the straight stretch of road,
so that he could presumably get ahead of the object. it was at the time
they slowed down or started to slow down for the oncoming hills and curves
that the bbject disappeared from view.
he seem to have here one of cur old familiar patterns, of people
being bugged by bright lights, caning quite close, but doing no physical
harm to the witnesses. The rapid disappearance is also characteristic.
The deviation in this story is that the two lights, which both the Waltons
had thought were firmly attached to some invisible object, separated.
The do not seem to be UFo addicts although they admitted
being familiar with UFO stories which they said crop up frequehtly in
that region. They said thoy had traversed this road a great many times in
the past and were quite familiar with the terrain. I They had never seen
lights like this before.
So here we have a report related to that of level land and a num- So here we have a report related to that of level land and a num-
ber of others in which the primary thing was a bright light or lights. In
all these cases the witness or witnesses definitely have had a very defi-
nite experience, and it is hard to see how experienced travelers of this
sort, reasonably well educated and accustomed to the many sights of the
desert, could have mistaken some usual object and had such a traumatic
experience. Incidontally, they stated that there wore no other cars on experience.I Incidontally, they stated that there wore no other cars on
the road at the time. the road at the time.
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Here again we need the aid of a psychologist to help evaluate
how such a report can I get started, and also why they seem andious to
report it. were no tangible lights present throughout this
whole experience, e psychologist has a real job ahead of him to ex-
plain how two' people can have virtually the same hallucination, and one
which seems so patently real to both of them.
Sincerely yours,
JAH:ar JAH:ar J. Allen Hynek J. Allen Hynek
Director

RODEO, NEW MEXICO
25 SEPTEMBER 1965
At approximately 8:00 P.M., 25 September 1965, two objects first appeared
near the base of a small 6ooo foot mountain, nine and one-half miles northeast
of Rodeo, New Mexico. The objects appeared to be on or near the surface,
moving westward on an intersecting course with the observer's north bound auto-
mobile. The lights were at an estimated angular separation of one to two
degrees. The driver and his wife first thought it was another automobile
driving across the desert, but as the ohjeets approached he realized that they
were approximately 30-50 feet above the terrain. He then thought that it was
a small aircraft at a low altitude and fearing a possible collision with the
object, the obser rver accelerated up to'8o mh to pull ahead. The objeat
remained with the auto at the higher speed, still at an altitude of about S0 reaaihea vltn the a
feet. This position was held for approximately two minutes with objects
appearing to be at an angular separation of lo-l5 degrees and still in line
horizontaliy. The objects then began to move to the rear of the auto (to the
south), slowly separating with the light changing from white to a light blue.
After approximately three minutes from the time the ob,jects began to drop
backward, they faded from sight with one spparently moving eastward and the
other southeast.
COMMENTS
One possible explanation could be that of two helicopters; however, no
sound at all, even with the car window open. A check was made and there were
no aircraft in the area at the time of the observation. The motion of the
objects tends to rule out the possibility of the sighting being a reflection
or mirage of ground lights. As such, the case renains unidentified since no
substantial evidence is available that can offer an explanation.

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AS DIRECTED.
ACD ROUND
AQ) DIME
A(3) WHITE A A
A(4) TWO
AG) SIDE AOATDLO BY SIDE
A(6 NONE A(6) NONE
AC?) POSSIBLE SMALL DUST TRAIL AT FIRST SIGHTING. AC? POSSIBLE SMALL DUST TRAIL AT FIRST SIGHTING.
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A(9) NONE
BCD BRIGHTNESS. FIRST THOUGHT TO BE AUTO DRIVING ON DESERT.
TRAVELING NORTH ON U.S. HWY. 8O. FIRST
SIGHTED AT 69 (SIXTY SIGHTED AT 6D (SIXTY DEGREES). RELATIVE BEARING, ON OR NEAR Y DEGREES). RELATIVE BEARING, ON OR NEAR
SURFACE. SURFACE
BE3) TO THE REAR (SOUTHD AT ABOUT FIFTY FEET ALTITUDE.
BC4) OBJECTS FIRST PEARED NEAR BASE OF SMALL 6OO0 FOOT MOUNTAIN NEAR BASE OF SMALL 6O00 FOOT MOUNTAIN
NINE AND ONE HALF MILES NORTHEAST OF RODEO, NEW MEXICO. APPEARED
TO BE ON OR NEAR SURFACE, MOVING WESTWARD ON INTERSECTING COURSE
WITH NORTH BOUND AUTO. THE LIGHTS WERE AT AN ESTIMATED ANGULAR
SEPARATION OF ONE TO TWO DEGREES. ORIVER AND WIFE FIRST THOUGHT
PROACHED HE REAL IZED THAT THEY WERE APPROXIMATELY THIRTY TO FIFTY
AT LOW ALTITUDE AND FEARING A POSSIBLE CRASH ON HIGHWAY ACCELERATED
FROM FIFTY M.PH. TO EIGHTY M.P.H. TO PULL AHEAD, HOWEVER SIXTY
DEGREE RELATIVE BEARING REMAINED CONSTANT EVEN AT HIGHER SPEED. DEGREE RELATIVE BEARING REMAINED CONSTANT EVEN AT HIGHER SPEED.
OBJECT POSITION WITH RESPECT TO AUTO STABIL IZED AT SANE BEARING, OBJECT POSITION WITH RESPECT TO AUTO STABILIZED AT SAN BEARING,
FIFTY FOOT A AND ESTIMATED DISTANCE OF ONE CITY BLOCK. THIS
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