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5. PHOTOS 0 Was Astronamical
Ys 000 Probably Astronamical
No Civ Possibly Astronom:cal
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observatory at Mt. Palomar, California. A A complete re-check of the counter was
recording geiger counter was so activated at accomplished and feulty ruse clip
the time of these sightings, that it went was found.
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to AEC approximately two weeks ago Col Butman was requested to contact Los
Alamos laboratories and 'equest that Mr. Carter, ittings, Mr. Sim-
mons come to Albuquercue for the interrogation In this was
impossible, it was requested that Capt Ruppelt and Lt Olsson be given a
clearance to talk to them at Los Alamos. Col Butman stated that he would
wire to Los Alamos and that they wire back directly t.o ATIC stating which of
the two plans would be followed. (i.θ., Whether would meet them at Los
Alamos or Albuquerque.) Col Butman was also informed that the Sandia Cor-
poration had also requested a briefing and that ATIC planned to do this on
either the sixth or seventh of January. Col Butman stated that it would be
alright ATIC to make direct contact with these beople arrange for a
briefing.
2. At approximately 1500 52, Capt Ruppelt called Lt Glen D.
Parrish, Director of Intelligence, 34th Air Division, Kirtland AF Base. The
purpose of the call was to advise Lt Parrish that Capt Ruppelt and Lt Olsson
would be in Albuquerque on Sunday,4 Jan 53, and to inquire as to whether or
not it would be alright to hold a meeting in Lt Parrish's office. Lt Par-
rish stated that it would be alright and that he was anxious to have us come
down. Lt Parrish n was also asked contact Mr. William R. Perret, Division
5111, at Sandia Corporation wrote the letter to ATIC requesting a

1. At 1330 on 29 Capt Ruppelt called Lt Col Paul
H. Butman (telephones Sterling 38000- Extension 221), I Division of Military
Application, Atomic Energy Commission, Washington, D.C. Purpose of the call
was to coordinate the visit Los Alamos. Col Butman has previously been
briefed on the possible correlation between detection of radia tion from un
known sources and unidentified flying objects by Capt Ruppelt during a visit
to AEC approximately two weeks ago. Col Butman 188 requested to contact Los
Alamos laboratories and request that Mr. Carter, Gittings, and Mre Sim-
mons come to Albuquerque for the interrogation if possible. In this was
impossible, it was requested that Capt Ruppelt and Lt Olsson be given a
clearance to talk them at Los Alamos. Col Butman stated that he would
wire to Los Alamos and that they wire back directly to ATIC stating which of
the two plans be followed. (i.0., Whether we would meet them at Los
Alamos or Albuquerque.) Col Butman was also informed that the Sandia Cor
poration had also requested 9 briefing and that ATIC planned to do this on
either the sixth or seventh of Jarary Col Butman stated that it would be
alright for ATIC to make direct contact with these people to arrange for a
briefing.
2. At approximately 1500 on 89 Dec 52, Capt Ruppelt called Lt Glen I D.
Parrish, Director of Intelligence, 34th Air Division, Kirtland AF Base. The
purpose of the call was to advise Lt Parrish that Capt Ruppelt and Olsson
would be in Albuquerque on Sunday, 4 Jan 53, and to inquire as whether or
not it would be alright to hold a meeting in Lt Parrish's office. Lt Par-
rish stated that 1t would be alright and that he was anxious to have us come
down. Lt Parrish was also asked to contact Mr. William R. Perret, Division
5111, at the Sandia Corporation, who wrote the letter to ATIC requesting a

was returned as Mr. explained that when the
letter arrived, he had been out of town and the post office gotten mixed
tructions to hold any mail and had returned the letter.
2. Although not too much data could be obtained telephone, Mr.
did shead some light on some of the questions that had been asked in
regard to the correlations. In the first place, a Mr. 6
t, Los Alamos, New Mexi co, phone 22263, was the person who knew peo-
ple at Mt. Palomar who had also seen unidentified aerial objects at the same
time they had detected some radiation. Contrary previous beliefs, Mr
was not there at time and only heard of the incident through personal let-
ters from these people at Mt. Palomar. Mr iS stated that he was sure
that Mr could give us the names of the people at Palomar and there is
a possibility that they are still there. The other gentleman involved I in the
sightings at Los Alamos is a Mr. stated that be-
tween 1 Oct 51 and 52 had picked three or four definite indications
of radiation from unknown sources and that several of them n had correlated with
newspaper articles within two hours. He was not sure how many Mr.
obtained.
3. In describing radiation which had been picked up,
Mr. stated that "they picked up vertical component - a particle
within the next or three weeks .to obtain all of this information.

up on his instructions had returned
?. Althouch not too much data could bo obtained ov the telephone, Mr.
did shead some light on some of the questions that had been asked in
regard to the correlations. In the first place, a Mr.
Los Alamos, New Mexi co, phone the person who knew peo-
ple at Mt. Palomar who had also seen unidentifie aerial objects at the same
time they had detected some radiation. Contrary previous beliefs, Mr
was not there at the time and only heard of the incident through personal let-
ters from these people at Mt. Palomar. Mr. , stated that he was sure
that Mr could give us the names reople at Palomar and there is
a possibility that they are still there. The other gentlenan involved in the
sightings at Los Alamos is a Mr. .9 stated that be-
tween 1 Oct 51 and Oct had picked three or four definite indications
of radiation from unknown sources and that several of them had correlated with
newspaper articles within two He FAs not sure how many Mr. Carter
obtained.
3. In describing the radiation which had been picked up,
Mr. stated that "they picked rtical component particle
ment that was used to get the radia ation, the exact dates and time of all indi-
cated radiation, and a little bit of background on each of the people. He was
also told that personnel from Blue Book would try to cortact him personally
Within the next reeks to obtain all of this information.
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Electronics Laboratory, that no further incidents were observed
although Palomar until about a year
2. Enclosure(1) forwarded fo of LCDR F. L. Thomas.
It is believed I to be a full account containing all that was known at the
time. Subsequently, the only development known to this office came in
January 1950 when, in response to further reports of erratic equipment
behavior, the apparatus was returned to NEL for a detailed check. A
famlty fuse clip was found. According to referene (c),"very slight
to supply
them.
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THOMAS OF ONR HAS MADE INQUIRY RE. 2 REPORTS
FROM PALOMAR FARLY 50. HOLLOWAY REMEMBERS
SEFING THFM BUT THEY ARE NOT AVAIL HERE NOW.
THOMAS IS URITING TO PASADFNA OFFICE A
OF ONR, FROM WHICH REPORTS ORICINATED, - ONR Casmii
AND ASKING FOR COMPLETE CYS. HE WILL ADVISE
ME OF DEVELOPMENTS AND I WILL KEFP YOU INFORMED.
INCIDENTALLY HOLLOWAY STATES THAT LIDELL
WHEN FIRST RECD. HOVEVER UPON DECIDING THAT
THE EXPLANATION WAS A SHORT CIRCUIT IN COUNTERS
HE PROMPTLY BURIED IT VITH THE OTHER EXPLAINED"*
REPORTS HOLLOVAY NOW EXHIBITS INTEREST IN
OTHER SIGHTINGS OF SIMILAR NATURE W)
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Airport (now an ADC AC&W Squadron he did not know for sure whether or not it was
ADC at that timeand got copy of their log of unknown tracks. They then got
the records from several I radiation monitoring stations in the Oak Ridge area and
attempted make a correlation. Tneir attempts to cor *relate the data were not
too successtul. The radiation detection equipment that was used the standard
equipment set to nonitor the background count in four separa at the
laboratory. One type counter measured alpha radiation and one type gamma ra-
diation (these were not the directional type of coincidence counters used at Los
Alamos. Col Hood stated that approximately three times per month, peaks would
be recorded on the tapes, sometimes on either the alpha counter gamma counter
and sometimes on both simultaneously. They took these peaks and the unknown radar
pickups and in some cases were able to correlate them. No written record was made
or kept, percent correlation own.
4. Col Hood gave the name Bettis of the Oak Ridge National Labo-
ratory who could possibly give Mr. Bettis 15 an electronics spec-
ialist on the NEPA project.
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range
75,000',i not more.) He suggested a setup of several types of instruments all
cross checking each other. netometer directional coincidence counter for
radiation and radar
7. During his visit to ATIC this summer, Col Hood had mentioned the fact
that his branch was interested in Einstein's latest theories on a relationship
between gravity and lines of magnetic force(???). His branch has contacted Ein-
stein and obtained the names of several people whom he thought could pursue this
idea further and determine how his theory could be utilized for The Of-
fice of Flight Research is now contacting these people not they
would accept a study ntract.
8. Col Hood's: suggestion was that we go ahead with a limited instrumenta-
tion program now. His idea was that the cost would be low and he believes we
could get at least preliminary data that we could expand on. He offerred ATIC
any aid his branch could give.
Conclusions
9. The only conclusion is that these people made a very preliminary type
of study on the correlation of unknowm radar pickups and rises in radiation.
There is definitely nothing to teeth into". Again, however, there are
indications that there may be some present.
1.
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Department
stated he would find out and notify ATICsaid that he believed there might be
some correlation between sightings of 's and increases in radiation. Col Hood
and a Naval officer became interested correlate these irances.
3. To effect this correlation, they went to radar site at the Knoxville
Airport (now an ADC ACeW Squadron he did not know for sure whether or not it was
ADC at that timeand got copy their log of unknown tracks. They then got
the records from several radiation monitoring stations in the Oak Ridge area and
attemptod to make a correlaticn. Tneir atterpts to correlate the data were not
too successtul. The radiation detection equipment used was the standard
equipment set up to nonitor t the background count areas at the
laboratory. One type of counter measured alpha radiation and one type gamma ra-
diation (these were not the directional typs of coincidence counters used at Los
Alamos). Col Hood stated that approximately three times 3 per month, peaks would
be recorded on the tapes, sometimes either the alpha or gamma counter
and sometimes on both simultaneously. They took these peaks the unknown radar
pickups and in some cases were able to correlate them No written record was made
or the percent correlation is not known.
40 Col Hood gave the name Bettis of the Oak Ridge National Labo-
ratory who could possibly give more de Mr. Bettis is an electronics spec-
Lellet. on the NEPA nwadeet

ject was material or not. (Contrary to what we've been told, he believed a mag-
netometer could be easily obtained that had a fairly long range 50 to
75,000', if not more.) He suggested setup of several typos of instruments all
cross checking each other, ma eter, a directional coincidunce counter for
radiation and radar.
7. During his visit to ATIC this summer, Col Hood had mentioned the fact
that his branch was interested in Einstein's latest theories on a relationship
between gravity and lines of magnetic force(???). His branch has contacted Ein-
stein and obtained the names of several people whom he thought could pursue this
idea further and determine how his theory could be utilized for power The Of-
fice of Flight Research is now contacting these people whether not they
would accept study tract.
8. Col Hood's suggestion was that we go ahead with a limited instrumenta-
tion program now His idea was that the cost would be low and he believes we
could get at least preliminary data that we could expand on. He offerred ATIC
any aid his branch could give.
Conclusions
9. The only conclusion is that these people made e a very preliminary type
of study on the correlation of unknowm radar pickups and rises in radiation.
There is definitely nothing to "get our teeth into". Again, however, there are
indications that there may be some correlation present.
10. The determine whether a mater-

the details you can get concerning the visual sightings and
radiation detection on both the incidents at Palomar and at Los
Alamos. We are now attempting to run down your reports to the
Los Alamos security people and the Navy reports at Palomar. We
may not be able to find thet owever and would like to have what
you can dig up.
The following are some of the details have
on each lent, if you u can get thems
1. Description visual sighting including shapes,
apparent speed (fast, time of day sighted,
dates, etc.
2 Description type of radiation detected if it is
how time ommo
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the same, better, or no results
with the equipment that was used in the incidents we discussed?
If you think all of the above data is too much to get. into a
letter or you would rather not put it letter, we can come
back down to see you. We could meet you in Sante Fe or at one of
your homes. I'm going on leave for l0 days beginning g 1o November,
80 it would be after that. If you want to do this, let me know
by collect wire. The address 19 Commanding General, Air Technical
Intelligence TI Ohio.
The reports th proiect, that group recuested, have 1
been forwerded to Lt Parrisn, Director of Intelligence, 34th Air 1
Division (Defense), Kirtland. He will pass them on to you. As I 1
told you at the meeting, - acting as the focal point for all
reports in the area.

Vicinity of Mt. Pa mar. California
1. The attached repor alleged Ling the vicinity of the
observatory on Mt. Palaomar, California, are f arded for information.
2. The Commanding Officer. investigated these
incidents and while he does not have a belief that these were actually
flying discs, he is at a loss to explain the phenomena.
Copy to:
NEL, San Diego
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cosmic study
outdoors saw shiny objects go He immediately went
inside the observatory and found that the counters had just "pinned" (i.e. gone
up to a maximum reading). naturally aroused the curiosity the people on
the project and they agreed it ever hapnened again they would look outside.
Some time later looked observed a dark object passing
over head.
4. The Navy, it was a Navy cosmic ray contract, supposedly investigated,
wrote a renort, and concluded that this way was all due to a circuit failure.
The people operating the equipment also checked and are claimed to have flatly
denied this saying that due to the circuitry it would be impossible for similar
'failures to occur in all the circuits at the same time.
the persons involved in the in-
vl Oct 50 - 1921 MST
2 Oct 50 - 1401 MST
4 Oct 50 2305 MST
9 Oct 50 - 0855 MST
The equipm kept until Lecember 1950 with no more pick-ups.
At that equipm dismantled. (Note: The above waB checked in
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this report.
8. It should be noted that all of the people involved in this are qualified
scientists working at Los Alamos.1 They have checked every possible source of the
radiation they can think of and cannot acoount for it. They have discussed this
with many people including well-known scientists visiting Los Alamos and there is
no ready exolanation, either for the source of the radiation detected or the
correlation isual the radiation.
9. Reports these incidents were made to the Security Force at Los Alamos
and supposedly were to be forwarded As far determined,
they received at ATIC.
10. Along these same lines, attention can be called to the fact that a Colonel
from WADC visited ATIC several months reported that the same thing had
happened at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
CONCLUSIONS
11. The accounts of these incidents are still rather vague, too vague to
draw any definite conclusions as to whether or not further action should be taken
to investigate all radiation monitoring stations in the U.S. to determine if more
correlations are present.
RECOMMENDATIONS
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2. Previous to this members of the group had met
Capt Ruppelt and Maj I. H. Herman at a meeting of the Civilian Saucer Investigators
in Los Angeles. At that time these people mentioned having some data on a corre-
lation between the detection of Bome type of radiation and visual sightings of
UFO's.
3. At the 23 Oct 52 meeting at Los Alamos more details on the above mentioned
subject were obtained. The first incident occurred several years ago at the Mt.
Palamar Observatory in California. A series of gieger counters had been set up
to study cosmic ray activity One person involved in the study hapoened to be
outdoore when he saw V's of shiny objects go over He immediately went
inside the observatory and found that the counters had just "pinned" (1.e. gone
up to a maximum reading). This maturally aroused the curiosity or people on
the project and they agreed that if it ever happened again would look outside.
Some time later it did hey looked out and observed a dark object passing
over head.
40 The Navy, it was Navy cosmio ray contract, supposedly investigated,
vrote a revort, and concluded that this way was all due to a circuit failure.
The people operating the equipment also checked and are claimed to have flatly
denied this saying that due to the circuitry it would be impossible for similar
failures to occur in all the circuits at the same time
5. Shortly aft persons involved
pick-ups.
At that the equipment was diamantled, (Note: The above checked in
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set-up, and copies of records are to
this report.
8. It should be noted that all of the people involved in this are qualified
scientists working at Los Alamos. They have checked every possible source of the
radiation they can think of and cannot account for it. They have discussed this
with many people including well-known scientists visiting Los Alamos and there is
no ready explanation, either for source of radiation detected or the
Correlation between visual sightings and the radiation.
9. Reports of these incidents were made to the Security Force at Los Alamos
and supposedly were forwarded to the Air Force. As far as can deternined,
they were never received at ATIC.
10. Along these same lines, attention can be called to the fact that a Colonel
from WADC visited I ATIC several months ago and reported that the same thing had
happened at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
CONCLUSIONS
11. The accounts of these incidents are still rather vague, too vague to
draw any definite conelusions as to whether or not further action should be taken
to investigate all radiation monitoring stations in the U.S. to determine 1f more
correlations are present.
RECOMMENDATIONS
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Please Address reply tot
"The Director"
Refer to File Number:
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P210-433 Novembe 1949
Commander Eugene Bollay
LOs Angeles Branch
Office of Naval Research
1030 E. Green St.
Pasadena, California
Dear Commander Bollay:
with our telephone conversation of yesterday, e complete
set of times at which the counting equipment o it. Palomar indicated estrem-
ely high cnnting rates, is 8.8 follows:
14 October 1320 18 October 0400
2230 1015
15 October 0720 1633
1 1320 19 October 0420
2030 2040
16 October 0330 20 October none to 1500
0900 21 October 0720
1330 24 October (1930-2000
2200 not accurately
We are completely at a loss to dind any reasonahle explanation for the equipment
behavior. We certainly apprec late your ation in arranging for flights
on Wednesday.
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U.S. Atomic Energy Commission
1901 Constitution Avenue
Washington 2 25, D. C.
Attention: Lt. Col. mar
Dear Col. Butman:
As you undoubtedly know, this Laboratory holds bi-weekly
colloquium for its staff members, one purpose of which is to
keep us in touch with technical and scientific developments
parts of the country other than Los Alamos. To this end I thought
that perhaps the Air Force might care to give us talk on
technical and scientific aspects of their studies concerning
so-called "flying saucers", If think they might, would you be
good enough to make inquiry through appropriate channels in
Washington?
clear Laboratory claims
no official cognizance in this field of activity; but it is my
belief that our staff members would be extremely interested in a
discussion of the serious and scientific aspects Air Force's
studies of the "flying saucer" phenomena C notsuggest that
aryone be a sked to make 8 special trip for the purpose of addressing
our Colloquium; but would hope that someone engaged in this work
might be passing through Albuquer could stop off at Los Alamos
for this purpose.
Any ted.
'er
William H. Crew
WHC:ns Assistant Director for
Scientific Personnel
cc: Santa Fe Operations Office
N. E. Bradbury via Ralph Carlisle Smith, LASL

Wright-Patterson Air orce Base
Dayton, Ohio
Dear General Garland:
In accordance ith our discussion of August 29th in Washington,
the attached letter is submitted for your attention as you re-
quested.
On the strength of your informal indication that ATIC could
probably accommodate the request of the Los Alamos Staff Members
for a colloquium on "flying saucers", am taking the liberty of
so notifying
Since you will note the Los Alamos request posed at the con-
venience of ATIC, I would appreciate very much a member of your
staff contacting Dr. Crew directly to arrange details. copy
of any further correspondence on this matter will be sufficient
for this Division to arrange the a ppropriate visitors' clearances
to Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory.
Respectfully yours,
/s/ Paul M. Butman
PAUL M. BUTMAN
Enclosure: . Lt Colonel, U USAF
LASL Ltr, Aug 21, 1952 Division of Military Application
ccs Dr. Crew
Santa Fe Ope

Dr.William H. Crew
Assistant Director for Scientific Personnel
P.O. Box 1663
Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory
Los Alamos, New Mexico
Dear Dr. Crews
Reference is made to your letter of 21 August 1952 (ref: ADSP) to
Lt Col P.M. Butman of the U. S. Atomic Energy Commission requesting an
Air Force briefing on ified aerial phenomena or lying saucers".
The Air Technical Intelligence - Center would glad to pre-
sent al briefing on unidentified aerial objects to the bi-weekly collo-
quium held by your laboratory. Within the next fewweeks, personnel
from this Center will be making a trip to the west coast and plan
to stop off in Los Alamos. At the present time no definite date can be
set, but as soon plans for the trip are finalized you and Col Butman
will be and a final date set.
It is believed that such briefing will be of great value to ATIC
in that t a group a group of qualified qua lified scientists acientists such as those at Los Alamos
always have have excellent ideas on various technical and scientific aspects aspects
of the problem problem of unidentified aerial unidentified aerial objects. objects.
Sincerely

Lt. Col. Donald Springer gence there is a
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FROM: A-10-3-F
Reference telephone call from Capt Edward J. Ruppelt of ATIC to Miss Stibbert on
1 Oct 52. Col Donald L. Bower and Capt Edward J. Ruppelt will be in Los Alamos
on 23 October 52, to give briefing on unidentified aerial objects. R Request ATIC
be advised whom to contact and scheduled time of briefing.
In reply ci o.jec Blue Book.
DONALD Lo. BOWER COLCNEL, USAF
ANALYSIS DIVISION
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CAPT E.J. RUPPELT/vs
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AIR ADJUTANT GENERAL

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FROM: 10-4F FOR LT BUTMAN
at Los Alamos. Col Donald L. Bower and Capt Edward J. Ruppelt of ATIC will be in
Los Alamos on 23 October l952 to give briefing. Dr. Crew of Los Alamos has been
advised of this date. Request clearances b initiated.
In reply cite Project Blue Book.
CHIEF, TECHNICAL ANALYSIS DIVISION
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ATIAA-5 65365 ROBERT E. KENNEDY, MAJOR, USAF
AIR ADJUTANT GENERAL

Naval Electronics Laboratory, who was
operating the recording Geiger counter on a continuing basis. I Dr. went
to Palomar investigate the stories, and brought back. the tape showing
the unusual oscillations of the pen Dr. could offer planation
although he was skeptica. ing disc theory.
The @minent physicist, D California
opinion:
(a) not likely that the reaction of the Geiger wast
the result of an atomically powered plane, inasmuch n as the
pen went off-scale and returned to scale in a matter of seconds;
whereas the polluted air from an atomic engine would tend to
linger : vicinity for some minutes.
(b3) It wasI most likely that the electrical relaying or amplifying
mechanism of the Geiger counter had been activated by a plane's
radio, altimeter, or radar mechanism. This was particularly
shielded.
In the effort was made to find out if planes from the Naval
Air Station at San Diego had been in the vicinity of Pelomar on the dates in
question, i.e., the l4th and 17th October. A negative reply was recieved
but this was not considered conclusive for any one of a number of reasons,
including the fact that planes from some other
field.
Arragements were. made for 8 plane Palomar and use its
altimeter and radar to see if it would acitvate the Geiger counter. This
was on/or about 2l October. Upon recedving a negative reply 8.8 to any
unusual behavior of the Geiger counter, plans were made with Commander, Air
Force, Pacific Fleet, for a Beries of flights to be made at various times and
altitudes in the vicinity of Palomar, using radio; altimeter, and redar. Both
conventional and jet planes used. These tests were rn on 9 November 1949.
The results were completely negative, the Geiger counter made unusual
recording during any of thege nearby flights.
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time preparing this the scientists who have been
interrogated (ONR, Pasadena; California Institute of Technology, and the Naval
Electronies Laboratory has been to satisfactory ation of
these phenomena.
In the atises as to the degree of reliability
of the three persons whose stories are reported. This is a difficult thing to
do, but the evaluation ONR, Pasadena, is as follows:
Mr. Moderately
Mr.
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had occasion Abser types aircraft and cognizant of all
usual types.) In matter of seconds the planes disappeared northwest.
He described them as being of silver-like color; no vaport trails were observed.
Due to t the high sound 40°behind the
line of sight.
Shortly after this incident Mr. and advised
him of what he had seen. A short time later Mr. went into the room
of the Power-house where the recording Geiger counter, placed there by the
Naval Electronics Laboratroy, was located, and noticed that the pen had made
an off-scale motion to the right, some before. The time appeared to be
approximately 1315, i.e. the same time at which Mr. had observed the
unusual objects overhead. An effort was made to report the incident to the
Naval Electronics Laboratory that week-end, but contact could not be made with
interested authorities. Dr. of NEL was advised of the situation on the
following Monday and ommence own investigation.
Mr. yu
operation the Geiger counter as mentioned in the above report
Although he is an electrician of considerable ability and responsibility, i.e.,
he operates and maintains the complicated electrical apparatus of the Observatory
including the big telescope, he could offer no the action of
the Geiger counter.
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large object going in an esterly or southeasterly
direction at a very high speed. occurred at about 1430. Although he could
see the object clearly, there were no projections whatever in the way of wings
or tail surfaces. He observed for about seconds before it disappeared.
No vapor trail was keft by t the object. He described it as being elongated,
but slightly curved like a banana, NO aberration Geiger counter was
noted during this incident.
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fornia.)
While of ONR. Pasadena, and the Naval I Electronics
Laboratory were preceeding to Mt. Palomar to investigate the flying saucer
story, they stopped i at the Cafe at the foot of the mountain, which is operated
by Mr. Quite by coincidence Mr. told of a number of unusual
observations made by him. Cutside his cafe are two miniature observabories
contgining a 15 inch and 6 inch telescope. A number of different Boories were told by
among tinent
had observed object through one of his
telescopes. He stated that the object came in, was relatively still for a while,
and then disappeared rapidly. The object appeared to be round and had around it
a ring of some sort, such as the planet Saturn. When the object was first sighted
the outside ring seemed to rotate, and upon the objects getting away conter
part appeared rotate in direction opposite to that of the ring surronding it.
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ve, iio showed the visitors @ newspaper clipping, where he had
addressed a local Chamber of Commerce ata luncheon meeting, narrating one
or two stories of his unusual observations of flying saucers. When he asked
the gentlemen present if any of them had ever observed similar objects, fully
25 Or 30 of the members present acknowledged immediately that they had seen
similar objects, but had been reluctant to report them for fear people would
think they were "of@ the beam",

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